How come it needs a four year pre-tax before it begins in order to stay below the $1trill budget(as if we have a trillion.
And why is the 208 BILLION dollar “doctor” fix being done outside the healthcare bill?
And how is 500 BILLION dollars being taken from Medicare to pay for healthcare reform while at the same time being used to bolster Medicare?
We all know that this is a scam! It’s nothing more than a socialist power grab and will do NOTHING to fix healthcare!
but it sounds so warm and fuzzy…
health care bill…
-Mike
I have a few questions if you support this healthcare.If it's really about healthcare(it's a huge tax bill!!!)
Ross Perot warned us…
This is what we get after exporting our workforce abroad.
More financial gimmickery.
-Mike
Quick question, the House is voting on Health Care tommorow (atleast, they plan to if they have enough votes)…
When will the Senate be voting? I honestly havent really been following this whole mess that much, so im somewhat out of the loop.
(I DONT want to hijack this thread, keep up the good conversations! But if somebody has a answer ide just appreciate a response) Thanks guys 
Hoosier,
The Senate has already passed the healthcare bill. Once the House votes on it and the Socialist in Chief signs it, it will be the law of the land.
Ok, so basically the House just trashed the bill they passed earlier, and are going to go with the Senate Bill from a while back. Gotcha… should be interesting.
This is what we get after exporting our workforce abroad.
Speaking of exporting our workforce overseas. Did you see this article … http://www.chicagobreakingbusiness.com/2010/03/caterpillar-health-care-bill-would-cost-it-100m.html
Caterpillar sent a letter to The Chosen One saying that the healthcare bill will cost Caterpillar $100 MILLION THIS YEAR! They also said: “We can ill-afford cost increases that place us at a disadvantage versus our global competitors.” TRANSLATION: More jobs will be moving overseas!
Mike…YOU might want to spend a little time actually READING HISTORY…Because YOUR version of events is completely WRONG!!
GEORGE BUSH…Took over the BANKS…NOT Obama…
GEORGE BUSH…Took over GM and CHRYSLER…NOT Obama
FANNIE & FREDDIE…Taken over by George Bush
AIG…Bailed out by George Bush
Georgey was the SOCIALIST…By every MEASURE of the term…But don’t let REAL HISTORIC FACTS get in the way of your ECONOMIC COLLAPSE THEORY!
FDJake,
I agree wholeheartedly that George Bush was a socialist and deserves a HUGE part of the blame! No argument from me.
The AMA (American Medical Association) and the AARP (American Association of Retired Persons) two HUGE GROUPS just came out in favor of the health care bill.
The AMA said, “It’s not a perfect bill but it’s a good bill. It will be progress.”
Guess who’d funding the MILLIONS of dollars of anti-health bill ads? Don’t you wonder who’s revving up the masses with scare tactics?
THE HEALTH INSURANCE INDUSTRY!
Their profits will take a hit if they have to insure everyone. They want business as usual. They want their obscene profits. They could care less about their customers.
Furnishedowner
Jake I remember a while back when I believe it was YOU, who was bashing ME for calling Bush a socialist. (You said I was throwing the word “Socialist” around to much.)
I could be wrong, but im 99% sure it was you. I guess were both in agreement now… Obama is a Socialist, as was Bush.
(If it wasnt you, then it was Chris, but I think it was you)
I agree though that this Socialist mentality has been coming since… well, a long time. Most say since the 1920’s. This has been coming way before Obama, and Bush played a big role on growing the government.
Hoosier,
I can GUARANTEE YOU that I NEVER bashed you for ANYTHING you said about GEORGE BUSH…
Unless it was complimentary! :beer
Sorry Mike…I misunderstood you…I get it…It’s BIG GOVERMENT that you’re opposed to.
Must of been somebody else then Jake, my bad.
The AMA (American Medical Association) and the AARP (American Association of Retired Persons) two HUGE GROUPS just came out in favor of the health care bill.The AMA said, “It’s not a perfect bill but it’s a good bill. It will be progress.”
Once again, FO, you seem completely ignorant of the facts. The AMA and AARP are both left leaning organizations. The AMA only represents 20% of the doctors in this country. The other 80% are capitalists who went to school for all those years TO MAKE MONEY!
Guess who'd funding the MILLIONS of dollars of anti-health bill ads? Don't you wonder who's revving up the masses with scare tactics?THE HEALTH INSURANCE INDUSTRY!
Earth shattering revelation there FO! Who would have thought that a socialist takeover of healthcare would threaten insurance companies?
Their profits will take a hit if they have to insure everyone. They want business as usual. They want their obscene profits. They could care less about their customers.
They don’t have “obscene” profits. In fact, once again, you don’t know what you’re talking about. Have any FACTS to back up your claims? Hmmmmm?
The FACT is that we have the finest healthcare system in the world! When my wife had a major stroke (even though she is young), she was seen by an ER doctor within 5 minutes of being carried into the ER and seen by a neurologist within 30 minutes! She almost immediately had a scan of her brain and was given TPA (a clot buster drug) within 45 minutes. As a result of this care, all her paralysis was gone within 24 hours of her stroke and she is completely healthy today. That would NOT happen under socialism.
When I had a torn retina on a Saturday night, I was seen almost immediately by an ER doctor and had emergency laser surgery ON A SUNDAY to temporarily repair the tear. Then, I was seen by a retinal specialist on Monday and had more laser surgery. If not for that treatment, I would likely be blind in one eye! That level of care would NEVER happen under socialism!!! This excellent treatment is EXACTLY why political figures and the wealthy from all over the world come to the United States for treatment. That is about to disappear under the Socialist Obama’s healthcare plan.
dear property manager,
Have you ever considered running for president next year?..you seem to have all the answers for everything in the world.
Do you feel you would make a better president than Obama?
Mike certainly would make a better president than Obama. I believe probably EVERYBODY on this board would make a better with the exception of probably FO.
hahahaha…
good answer…needed that to get the day going!
thanks
Anybody with some honesty and fiscal sense would do better than Obama. And, to my knowledge, most on this board do have that.
rpopertymanager,
I’m glad that your wife had good care after her stroke. However, that doesn’t mean that she wouldn’t have gotten that same level of emergency care in almost any other first world country.
You have a very myopic and ethnocentric view of the world. I doubt you have ever been outside of the United States, yet you carry on like some kind of expert, comparing American medical care to that of the rest of the world.
Our daughter had to have surgery in Japan when we lived there, and we were satisfied with the level of care. Our accident-prone family has been to E.R.'s in a number of countries. It’s a running family joke, we travel, we visit that country’s E.R. On our last trip abroad, we just visited the E.R. near the U.S. airport before we departed, got it out of the way: minor surgery on injured toe.
Phillippines: head laceration, stitches. France: migraine attack Denmark: bicycle accident, surgery, fractured jaw. Thailand: high fever, vomiting. Switzerland: Meningeal symptoms. Mexico, etc. etc.
We had friends who had a micro-preemie in Japan, something like one and a half pounds, he had first class care for 8 months until he was big enough to go home. That baby is now a schoolboy.
So if you have a heart attack in Calgary, London, Tokyo, Frankfurt you should be getting the same level of care under their SOCIALIZED MEDICINE system as you would get in the US.
In some areas other countries are better–the first heart transplant was done in South Africa. There is a Mexican cardiologist who has done the world’s most innovative cardiac surgeries. I have an acquaintance, a thoracic surgeon who is dying to go to Tokyo to work under Japanese doctors, the best in the world for stomach cancer.
Yes, some foreigners come here for advanced medicine. Also, some Americans now go to other countries for the same treatment but at an affordable price.
I am looking forward to the coming globalization of medical services. We will be able to combine a vacation with the hip or knee replacement.
Furnishedowner
welcome to the lovefest:
http://cnn.com/video/?/video/politics/2010/03/19/sot.obama.healthcare.cnn
being fiscally conservative…it’s not my kind of celebration.
-Mike