I’m in the midst of Reading “Liberty & Tyranny” by Mark Levin. If anyone is truly open minded about what the liberal/progressive movement is about, they would see exactly how much their so called leaders are manipulating their thinking. The reason there is an audience for Fox is because every other news outlet, cable, network & newspapers all have a very obvious liberal slants. Fox appeals to those 55 million people that did not vote for Barack Obama. There is too much competition amongst the rest regarding the same ideas and news they are covering so the cannibalize each others audience. Rupert Murdock indeed is brilliant for capitalizing on that with Fox News. These shows are all opinions(most freely admit it), including network news(who try to claim no biases) these days. If you listen to the coverage without the obvious slant, there is some merit to some of what is presented by everybody. I did not like George Bush as president, so far I really don’t like Barack Obama’s policies and most of these opiniated shows I take with a grain of salt. I dislike Hannity immensely(nothing more than a Parrot), Oreilly is somewhat of fraud, Beck(minus the crying) substance wise says things worth taking a look at. Olberman & Maddow are great for validating Mark Levin’s arguments in his book. This country is in trouble. We are so far away from our founding priciples we will never get them back. That’s what liberals want so that is accepted by half the country. Unless the republicans(or a third party movement) get their act together we will only see it deteriorate more.
Brockovich,
PERFECTLY PUT!!!
Remember when NEWS was…JUST NEWS??
When BIG BUSINESS started to learn that they could PULL certain DEMOGRAPHIC SEGMENTS of the population into CHUNKS that could be identified and SOLD things…That’s when REAL… HONEST NEWS…DIED. Murdock stepped over that imaginary line in the sand. The others watched…when they saw him making REAL MONEY…they all dove in!!! There is no real news anymore…REAL, FACTUAL, MIDDLE OF THE ROAD, UN-OPINIONATED NEWS…People want to hear what they want to hear…Business is HAPPY to provide that…But…what it has done is it drove a HUGE wedge between the sides in this country.
I have NEVER…in 44 years…seen this country so divided. We’re being PLAYED aginst each other. WHY??? Whose making MONEY off that??
In my opinion the ONLY way this Country gets BETTER…Notice I didn’t say survive, there’s too much MONEY to be made here to let it completely go. But the only way we get BETTER as a country is to get rid of BOTH PARTIES…
This happens during any real CRISIS…It’s not happening NOW because this crisis isn’t something most people can IDENTIFY…Sure they can FEEL it…IF…They lose their job…But in reality the MAJORITY of Americans NEVER took out giant mortgages and DIDN’T buy their homes during the BOOM…so as long as they keep working this recession isn’t really affecting them…It hasn’t touched my family negatively…Actually it’s made buying property MUCH easier.
During crisis like 911, WWII, or other disasters Washington cuts the crap and they all become just… A M E R I C A N S.
Until we all get together and cut this partisian BS we’ll just spin our wheels.
As any investor understands…You get a DEAL done when BOTH sides feel they receive VALUE from the transaction…That VALUE usually lies somewhere at the MIDDLE where both people start.
We are so far away from our founding priciples we will never get them back. That's what liberals want so that is accepted by half the country. Unless the republicans(or a third party movement) get their act together we will only see it deteriorate more.
Unfortunately, I think that we’re past the point of no-return. We now have approximately half of the people who don’t pay income tax. I estimate that about 25% of the population are too lazy to work and are receiving government (handouts) in one form or the other (although the exact numbers are nearly impossible to determine thanks to the government hiding them). With so many deadbeats out there, it will be nearly impossible to return to our founding principles. As the deadbeats become the majority, they will have the votes to keep stealing from the productive until the country collapses (which is coming soon).
When the economy collapses (we’re not even close yet) and the handouts stop, that will be our opportunity to take our country back!
Mike
FDJake, you apparently didn’t look up the definitions… a mistake is not an “accident” as you are trying to to twist it to cover face… I’ve remained consistent on this…
mis-take /mi-steyk/
–noun
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an error in action, calculation, opinion, or judgment caused by poor reasoning, carelessness, insufficient knowledge, etc.
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a misunderstanding or misconception.
–verb (used with object)
3. to regard or identify wrongly as something or someone else: I mistook him for the mayor.
4. to understand, interpret, or evaluate wrongly; misunderstand; misinterpret.
–verb (used without object)
5. to be in error.
So as you can now clearly see, YOUR use of “accident” as a synonym for mistake was misapplied, incorrect and that “BS” as you put it, originated from you. My point now remains the same, that EVERYONE indeed makes mistakes, INCLUDING YOU, and while that may disqualify someone’s opnion on a particular subject in your view, should we then disqualify your advice on all other matters because you’ve made admitted mistakes (and who knows what they may be)…
You obviously have (just as others) good perspective and life experiences on different subjects, but applying your own standard to you (which is what I was doing with the O’Reilly example), with you admitting making mistakes, we should all just ignore you on that basis, right?
As I’ve said before, there is no such thing as liberal hypocrisy…
The fact that you continue to try to ideologically tie me to O’Reilly is simply inaccurate and a waste of time. I don’t know anyone that I completely agree with… But it would stand to reason, that because I listen to both sides, my perspective may be a little more deeper…
I certainly hope you were as disdainful to Bill Clinton, for his infidelity… and exhorted everyone else not to listen to him anymore… he lost ALL credibility, right?.. Come to think of it, he not only did it, but denied it, then lied under oath about it, and destroyed lives in the process… careful of those glass houses… and that was just ONE of his infidelities…
All your other posting about G20, etc. it’s a good thing the Founding Fathers didn’t stick their head in the sand, and ignore their struggle for liberty because they were making money under oppressive English rule and taxation. You remember that they too, had money, but thought beyond just themselves, and put up their personal fortune, and lives to give you the system that allowed you to progress to the point you’ve achieved. Is it your opinion that they were not justified in their revolt, because they were making money and not “being hindered”…
“Oppressive government” - Socialism, Communism, Fascism, etc. - they are all about giving the STATE more power as opposed to the people…
“No GOVERMENT stood in my way.” - I find it interesting that you do not view the government taking 15-39% of your profits as not standing in your way. If that’s the case, why not 90%… put your money where your mouth is then, and voluntarily give 90% to the government… it’s not a hinderance, right?.. just think how many other houses you could have bought, and contributed to the economy, and employed others (you know, the little people) as opposed to just dumping it into the black hole of the government, so they can just GIVE IT AWAY…
“he G 20 didn’t hinder my profits.” - you missed the point entirely… setting up a regulatory framework for global regulation and corporate control WILL eventually lead to increased costs, a global tax, increased costs for companies resulting in increased costs for consumers, all of which WILL hinder your profits… You think that once they have their claws in the largest economy in the world, they are not going to suck more and more from it?
“News was just News”… - that has NEVER been the case. The news has ALWAYS been slanted… it became more obvious and hard to deny when alternate media sources started popping up…
"We are so far away from our founding priciples we will never get them back. That’s what liberals want so that is accepted by half the country. Unless the republicans(or a third party movement) get their act together we will only see it deteriorate more. " - yes, Brockovich… perfectly put…
I forgot to mention in my previous post that the deadbeats are out-breeding the productive, tax-paying citizens by at least 2 to 1. That’s a disaster in the making. The tax paying public will be increasingly saddled with higher taxes to pay for these deadbeats until we reach a point that the taxpayers say NO MORE and really mean it (taxpayer strikes, mass protests, riots, etc)! The beginnings of this movement could be seen in the recent tea parties.
We’ve got to reach a point that the fundamental socialist agenda comes under question. Do people have a right to food? Do people have a right to medical care? Do people have a right to housing? Do people have a right to cigarettes and beer? Big screen TVs? I say NO! We have a constitutional right to PURSUE happiness, not a right to handouts!!! Lazy people have an absolute right to be lazy if that makes them happy. They also have an absolute right to starve if they are too lazy to work! They do NOT have a right to steal my money to support their lazy life style!
Mike
FDJake - “…I’m starting to see some SMALL glimmers” - interesting choice of words…
CBSNews, April 10, 2009 - Obama Sees “Glimmers Of Hope” In Economy
Sorry, the One called it before you this time FDJake… :biggrin
What is laughable is that are going to be people that try to argue that these “glimmers” are due to the “stimulus”… we’ll see how that plays out…
I just spent a few minutes looking at your past posts…
As of January 2008 you were STILL asking questions and hadn’t completed EVEN your FIRST FLIP…
I’ll take my advice from someone who’s got a little more than 2 YEARS of REAL ESTATE INVESTING EXPERIENCE. Thanks anyway.
But it sounds like you are an expert “NEWS JUNKIE” That should make you a PILE OF MONEY.
I won;t lose any sleep at night worrying about what our “FOUNDING FATHERS” would think. It sounds like you’ve got PLENTY of time to worry about that for everyone here.
And as for your 90% tax theory??? :shocked
I guess I could sit home and worry about…But I won’t!!! I’ll actually be BUYING PROPERTY…You should try it!!!
When you finally shut the TV off and have bought and sold a few homes let us know!!
Those glimmers may actually be coming from all those people who DIDN’T buy their homes at the peak and are NOW refinancing those homes at HISTORICALLY LOW rates…SOME of the EXTRA money they have access to, WILL BE spent…We are talking about AMERICANS here. But I think they’ll be a little more careful because they’ve seen friends and neighbors eaten alive by the refi ride. The DATA says that the refi’s are NOT pulling EQUITY OUT…They’re REDUCING their rate and thus their monthly payment. That free’s up some cash. There will ALWAYS be idiots out there…But I think there are SOME people who have actually LEARNED something from this. Our savings rate is now the highest it’s been in 30 years. This is how markets correct. They swing too far one way…then swing back in the other direction. This is EXACTLY what is happening now.
WE ARE NOT OUT OF THIS…BUT…It may…MAY…not get much worse.
I could be COMPLETELY WRONG on that. But…I can only report WHAT I AM SEEING!!
When you actually BUY and Sell a few homes you’ll learn all about this…But what do I know…The last house I did capped a 21+ year career doing this.
You were asking us to look at your first “deal” LESS than 2 years ago…
2 years VS 20 years
Yea…You’re right…I DO know more than YOU.
Excellent post, Mike…
“forgot to mention in my previous post that the deadbeats are out-breeding the productive, tax-paying citizens by at least 2 to 1.”
This is a direct result of governemnt, cradle to grave, nanny state policies… We don’t exhort and teach our children to grow up and rely on the STATE for our happiness, but it’s OK for adults? If you are being honest, if you believe in the government to provide for your, you would be teaching your kids to game the system to the best of their ability. If not, why not? WHAT DO YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE IN? If you expect little from your kids, they will not disappoint you… it’s no different when you are an adult.
“The beginnings of this movement could be seen in the recent tea parties.”
I certainly hope so, Mike… Something has got to give…
The challenge I put forward to liberals (which is usually not answered), is WHY do you think that you have a “right” to other peoples money? You didn’t earn it, why should you get it? Where do you glean this “right” from? Whether it’s healthcare, housing, whatever… If you make $100K a year, why shouldn’t the person making half that think you should be taxed down to their level, making it “even”… after all, they live on $50K, why shouldn’t you?
“We’ve got to reach a point that the fundamental socialist agenda comes under question.”
This was already answered under Bradford in the early colonies… we just need to read our history!
"We have a constitutional right to PURSUE happiness, not a right to handouts!!! "
I couldn’t agree more… why others think they DO have a “right” to handouts, is a question most aren’t willing to answer…
“Yea…You’re right…I DO know more than YOU.” - yes, thank you FDJake, for reminding us all YET AGAIN, how smart you are… :rolleyes You’ve reminded us countless times, did you not think we heard you the first 1000 times?.. So you can save everyone time on future posts and storage space… we acknowledge you are smart and have lots of money…
I have no problem conceding that you and others on this forum know bucketloads more about real estate than I do… I’m not insecure in that regard… I would also venture to say you know more than I do regarding the auto industry. But, there is much you could learn from me on other subjects that I possess more knowledge… The difference is that I don’t feel the need to constantly remind people of it or attempt to denegrade them in the process…
Besides, according to you, because you’ve admitted you’ve made mistakes, we SHOULDN"T LISTEN TO YOU, right? Sucks when you apply your own reasoning to your own life, which was the whole point of O’Reilly. As I’ve said, we are hypocrites all… some just try to mask that fact…
Additionally, real estate is not the topic on this particular thread… so quit putting up straw men and red herrings and actually deal with what’s being posted, other than I make more money than you, am smarter than you, etc…
"And as for your 90% tax theory??? " - It wasn’t a theory, but a challenge, and yes, it’s easy to put up non-answers rather than address it… Why are you OK with 39% of your income being taken away from the government, but not OK with 90%? It’s socialism, baby, and as you’ve pointed out so often, you can afford it, right?
Let’s try this, let’s only tax liberals extra because they are the ones who are OK with it. Why not? They are just another class like the rich… If you are going to say it is not “fair”, how is it fair that the rich pay such a disproportionate amount of the bills only to be disdained?
Are you not the “rich getting richer”? You can ALWAYS give 90%, the point is that you don’t want to, and it is therefore not “fair” that you expect others to do it, no matter the level of their income…
[i][b]"Mike,
I can’t disagree with ANY of your statements…" [/b] [/i] - do you realize that you just agreed with Mike’s post that Glenn Beck “posted warnings about this mess YEARS before it happened”?
Oops… are you sure you’re as smart as you say you are?.. :biggrin
[in case you missed it, that was a bit of humor]… :beer
Must be that KARL ROVE humor (I’m immune) :beer :beer :beer
Nice debate Positive…and I mean that…I’m a fighter…always have been.
I respect people who fight back…
Nicely done…Nothin wrong with a little verbal BRAWL every once and a while.
:beer :beer :beer :beer
NOW… CONTINUE WITH THE R E V O L U T I O N !!!
I’m so glad I was able to start this fascinating debate between PositiveOutlook and fdjake. it wasn’t my original intention but sure has been fun to watch from the sidelines. Mike-thanks for throwing in your two cents, I completely agree with your posts and hopefully we’ll get some more posts about my original thread regarding a new American Revolution.
Indeed. We all agree that Glenn Beck is a modern day Founding Father. Alrighty… :biggrin
Niiiice…please don’t open up that can of worms, lol :banghead2
Mike/Property Manager,
If you haven’t already read it, Mark Levin’s Liberty & Tyranny is a great read for us True Conservative thinkers. I finished it today. I would recommend it to all. As he states in the end of the book though, “We have a Lot of work to do!”
FDJake… I enjoy a good debate also… and being one the two most verbose posters on REICLUB (with me being number 2), I wish you would just use your intellect to address the issues…
[i][b]“Let’s try this, let’s only tax liberals extra because they are the ones who are OK with it. Why not? They are just another class like the rich… If you are going to say it is not “fair”, how is it fair that the rich pay such a disproportionate amount of the bills only to be disdained?”
“The challenge I put forward to liberals (which is usually not answered), is WHY do you think that you have a “right” to other peoples money? You didn’t earn it, why should you get it? Where do you glean this “right” from? Whether it’s healthcare, housing, whatever… If you make $100K a year, why shouldn’t the person making half that think you should be taxed down to their level, making it “even”… after all, they live on $50K, why shouldn’t you?”
[/b][/i]
“We don’t exhort and teach our children to grow up and rely on the STATE for our happiness, but it’s OK for adults? If you are being honest, if you believe in the government to provide for your needs, you would be teaching your kids to game the system to the best of their ability. If not, why not? WHAT DO YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE IN? If you expect little from your kids, they will not disappoint you… it’s no different when you are an adult.”
It’s been my experience that liberals shy away from the hard questions… whether it’s abortion, atheism, gun control, taxation, socialism, etc. We’ve seen example after example of this recently on Random Ramblings… When you turn what liberals espouse back on their own life, it’s becomes a totally different matter…
There is no such thing as liberal hypocrisy… and liberals are very good at spending other people’s money, but when it comes to their own… hands off…
This is one of the reasons why I believe we find ourselves in the position where we actually have to have a Tax Tea Party to even get the government to take notice THAT WE ARE TIRED OF OVERTAXATION, at ALL levels… The government has PROVEN BEYOND ALL DOUBT that they are inept with OUR money. There is not ONE program the government is not wasting money on, yet we just continue to fork it over, or hope that they will take it from someone else… a fellow citizen. The government has wasted countless more money than all the corporations they are now bailing out, under the idea that the government can do it better? Insanity… Our interests as a people, as a nation, need to come first. Our sovereignty must be preserved lest we fall under the tyranny and control of those who wish to do us harm or take that which belongs to us…
“…that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom – and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.” - President Lincoln, Gettysburg Address
Government reliance is NEVER a good thing… control of the government as opposed to being CONTROLLED by the government is a good thing… if you think reliance on the government is a good thing… defend it!
By LAW, the government should have to live within it’s means… All waste should be removed before even asking the electorate for more…
BTW FDJake, trying to tie me ideologically to Karl Rove, is also a waste of time… I’ve voted for Rep, Dem and Ind over the years… but it was never a vote for someone who espoused government could do it better than it’s people…
Brokovich,
Thanks for the book recommendation. I’m always looking for good books to read and that will be next on my list. We do have a LOT of work to do and I truly believe that a new American Revolution is coming, just as the title of your post suggests. A revolution that will finally return us to the priniciples of the founders! For far too long, we’ve allowed a few loud freaks to control the path of our country. After a lot more socialist pain, the working (tax paying), productive people of this country will get tired of being abused and finally demand to have their country back! It’s long overdue!
Mike
I’m as FAR from LIBERAL as you can get…You know NOTHING about me.
I own 10 GUNs…I’m a LIFETIME NRA member. I grew up shooting every weekend with my brother and father who was a Police Officer.
Abortion…The Womans choice…Not the Goverments.
Illegal Immigration…GET THE **** OUT and STAY OUT!!! If you hire them…YOU GO TO JAIL!! NO JOBS means NO MORE ILLEGALS!!!
I think there should be some type of safety net for HARD WORKING PEOPLE…Not for GENERATIONS of LOSERS. 2 years AT THE MOST and your CUT OFF. I say 2 years in the event someone has a medical problem that causes a loss of a job or a career change. The number 1 cause of bankruptcy in this country is simply people getting SICK who have little or no health insurance. THAT’S BS. It happened to a friend of mine who worked his @SS off for everything he ever had. Crappy health insurance and some money in his bank account meant this poor bastard couldn’t take the Illegal Alien way out and just NOT PAY. He went bankrupt and he’ll never recover from it ay his age.
I don’t believe in gay marriage…BUT…My parents live next door to two gay women who are the best neighbors and people you could ever hope to know…Having a LEGAL way for them to get the same rights you get when you SHACK UP with some chick for 7 years doesn’t seem to be too much to ask.
I want to pay as little in taxes as anyone here, and HAVE for the last 8 years. The pendulum is now swinging the other way. I lived with it before, and will live with it again. It will eventually swing back…GUARANTEED. When WARREN BUFFET says the TAX system is UNFAIR because his SCERATARY pays a HIGHER Percentage of tax than HE DOES. I have a hard time arguing that point.
I vote for the CANDIDATE not the party. If you have a good idea and I BELIEVE YOU (unlike your pal O’REILLY) I’ll not only VOTE for you…I’ll raise money for you.
If you want to make change…RUN FOR OFFICE!!!
Don’t sit here blowing smoke up our @sses…Yapping about the Founding Fathers. Get off your @ss, put your name on a ballot, raise money, take the eventually beating ALL candidates face during an election. THEN DO WHAT YOU PREACH HERE…
Anything else is a waste of our time. And I’ve wasted WAY too much of mine debating a person who is a professional “THINKER” These LONG DRAGGED OUT philisophical debates about what George Washington would think or do is a freakin’ JOKE.
I’ll tell you what he’d do…
He’d drop dead…AGAIN…As soon as he laid eyes on our current President.
HE OWNED SLAVES!!! HUNDREDS OF THEM!!! DID YOU FORGET THIS???
Do you REALLY want to debate this sh*t???
Believe it or NOT…This country has ACTUALLY gotten BETTER in some respects compared to the GLORY days of Slavery, disease, poor farms, and dieing because you had an infected tooth…
FDJake… from your posts, and your apparent ease with taxes despite the fact the government is so inept with the money they do get, makes you come across as liberal, and I believe you voted for Obama, right? If I am mistaken on that point, my apologies… owning guns, and being a member of the NRA does not qualify you as a non-liberal… I don’t own any guns, does that now make a liberal…
FDJake - [i][b]“Am I gonna pay more in taxes??? YES…But it won’t change a SINGLE thing about my life…It’s not gonna change Rookies either…If he makes what he says he makes, along with his Lawyer wife…it’s time to PONY UP. You and I had a nice ride for 8 long years…now it’s time to pay a little more.”
[/b][/i]Almost sounds verbatim to what Biden said… your willingness to just give the government more without holding them accountable for they already WASTE is insightful…
You may not be a classic liberal, but more likely a “moderate” Republican… I don’t know and I don’t really care… that being said, I was referring to liberals in general who shy away from the tough questions… Whether or not you are “liberal”, you follow the same pattern of non-response from what we’ve seen… I’m not interested in labels… [b][i]what you believe and espouse is more important than anything else…
[/i][/b]As far as going into political office is concerned, I’m not wired that way, and I recognize it… I probably don’t have the charisma, so I support my beliefs in politics in other ways… But I do not consider exercising our right to “free speech” a waste of time…
Saying that I should run for office is like saying that since you were the arbiter of knowledge regarding our current financial mess, you should be working with the government to resolve it, otherwise, anything else is a waste of our time…
“Blowing smoke up our a$$…” - that would be the case if I didn’t believe what I was saying.
You might as well let the O’Reilly thing go, you’ll remember you brought him up, I was just pointing out your hypocrisy in dealing with him…
I DON’T believe that government is the solution, I believe it is the problem, including our current financial mess, especially when they go beyond the scope of the Constitution/Bill of Rights… They prove it over and over again…
We are holding the companies accountable for the money we are giving them, when are we going to hold the government accountable for the money we are giving them, who waste MUCH, MUCH more?
As far as a safety net you propose for two (2) years goes… you give them that length and most will take it… and then look for extensions beyond that… history has proven that one…
That’s the problem with government when they go beyond their scope as provided in the Constitution… more and more people will want more and more provided by the government as opposed to doing for themselves, to the detriment of the country…