Self Conflict.... Standing up for Plege/Anthem?

Random Ramblings
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PositiveOutlook,
You know…I don’t say much on the Forums. I prefer to read and learn. However, I have to admit that Jake is right. It is obvious that you are not a rehabber and I am starting to lean more towards your being one of those quack psychology/psychiatry nuts.

The questions asked of you are responded to with a question. (almost feels like Jeopardy). An issue is never true unless you presented it.

You obviously have quite a bit of time to set around and dig up obscure quotes/references to support your point of view from the internet.

I wish you would spend more time discussing REI related issues than this stuff that you pull out of your rear end.

Sorry just tired of the BS and that is all I have to say about that.

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Hammertime,

“The questions asked of you are responded to with a question. (almost feels like Jeopardy). An issue is never true unless you presented it.”

Well then… that should be EASY for you to back up… I answer point-by-point, so please enlighten us… on the OCCASION I answer a question with a question it is to make a point…

“I wish you would spend more time discussing REI related issues than this stuff that you pull out of your rear end.”

Hammertime, I am not a full-time investor… I admittedly am a beginning RE investor… I don’t pretend to provide expert advice on real estate… On multiple occasions I made this clear, but that does NOT preclude me from posting on Random Ramblings, just as it does no preclude you from taking the time to read it… noone is holding a gun to your head… I do post in other forums on this site where I think I can be of help… I have also posted in other forums recently where I thought my input relevant.

P.S. - I don’t post that which I can’t support…

“Sorry just tired of the BS and that is all I have to say about that.”

You are certainly entitled to your opinion… It’s interesting that you take the time to read it…

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It baffles me why the moderators dont ban Positive Outlook from this forum…He contributes nothing to this forum but badgering others…He is clearly a wacko who goes to great lengths to debate on pointless issues…This may be the Random Ramblings section but its of a REAL ESTATE INVESTMENT forum…People come here that are goal and wealth oriented people…This is a meeting place for people to share wealth building techniques…I have not seen anything of value come out of his posts but useless babble…

Positive Outlook… all you are doing is making the truly successful people reconsider posting here to avoid being harrassed by you…Thats all you are accomplishing…Keep it up and you will have this section all to yourself…Listen to Hammertime…Enjoy cut and pasting every sentence I have posted here…

Those who say money isnt important dont have any…Ben Affleck…Boiler Room

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RookieNYC,

“It baffles me why the moderators dont ban Positive Outlook from this forum…”

Maybe because I follow the forum rules, and just because YOU don’t find value in what I have to say, does not mean others don’t… BTW, they have posted such… so don’t think you, or Hammertime or Fdjake speak for everyone…

“He contributes nothing to this forum but badgering others…”

How do I “badger” others? I quote their own words, and speak my position, and they are free to do the same… the moderators KNOW this… if you can’t SUPPORT your position, DON’T POST…

“He is clearly a wacko who goes to great lengths to debate on pointless issues…”

You are entitled to your OPINION, but just remember, that is all it is… The issues you cite are SO POINTLESS, that you not only READ them, but POST to them… are you serious?

“This may be the Random Ramblings section but its of a REAL ESTATE INVESTMENT forum…People come here that are goal and wealth oriented people…This is a meeting place for people to share wealth building techniques…I have not seen anything of value come out of his posts but useless babble…”

You do realize this is only your opinion, right Rookie? I mean, I don’t personally find your posts enlightening, but I am not into stocks… I don’t go to the other forums to discuss stocks either, so your point is mute. which is most likely how the moderators view it…

“Positive Outlook… all you are doing is making the truly successful people reconsider posting here to avoid being harrassed by you…”

If you being asked to SUPPORT your assertions are “harassment” then I guess I am guilty as charged… what is more likely the case, is that you post untenable positions and don’t like being called on it… MONEY does not make you right, facts do… There are NINE other forums besides Random Ramblings that can keep you busy… You KNOW Random Ramblings is a conglomeration of everything they attempt to funnel OUT of the other forums, and it works quite well in that regard… You don’t have to go or post to Random Ramblings AT ALL…

It is interesting that you say I am “harassing” people, when you yourself Rookie, specifically started a thread on Random Ramblings to ridicule Propertymanager…, so consider the source of the “harassment” charge… now, is citing this FACT “harassment”?.. :rolleyes

“Thats all you are accomplishing…Keep it up and you will have this section all to yourself…Listen to Hammertime…Enjoy cut and pasting every sentence I have posted here…”

I don’t have to cut and paste… I quote and answer point-by-point… that’s just my style… I feel it is more clear that way…

“Those who say money isnt important doesnt have any…Ben Affleck…Boiler Room”

When did I say MONEY wasn’t important? What I have said is that MONEY is not the only thing that is important… people who derive their importance from money alone say things like that…

You use a quote from a movie about lies, deceit and corruption through the worship of money… very interesting… A more apt quote…

“What does it profiteth a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul…”

There is nothing wrong with money… there’s not to many people who dislike it… BUT there’s more to life THAN money… Money is a PART of Success, NOT success itself… Money MAGNIFIES who you really are… we can all learn from that statement… Of course, you have to be OPEN to it…

“I have also lost a tremendous amount of respect for propertymanager Mike for allowing you to continuely harrass others…”

I don’t harass anyone… I don’t swear or call people names… In fact, when I am SUPPORTING my position, I do it with FACTS… just because you don’t like the facts, doesn’t make it harassment…

The fact that you have the gall to RIDICULE Propertymanager and his successful investing career, which EVERYONE hear lauds, and then say you “lost respect” for him for allowing opinion that disagrees with YOUR POV says it all, doesn’t it…

The funny thing about it Rookie is you NEVER HAVE TO READ ANY thread you don’t want to, never mind POST to it… the moderators KNOW this… which is why your position is devoid of merit… but you ARE entitled to your OPINION, as am I… :beer

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PositiveOwner absolutley should NOT be banned. Surely even Jake agrees with this.

PO never claims to be a rehabber, but he likes politics, as do I. (Even though do to my post, im focusing my efforts to just myself for now.)

Worrying/Following about the contries problems, for me, is way to exhausting. I give up. (Until I am successful personally.)

But I still enjoy PO’s posts(as with Jakes), and have respect for him. Hes a small government guy(as I am).

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The 2 biggest supporters of Positive Outlooks harrassing ways are an 18 year old who smokes pot and works in the medical industry and another guy who is planning for Armageddon while penning books on how to get rich buying real estate…LOL…

Like I said Positive Outlook brings nothing of substance to this forum…ZERO…

Maybe its me who is in the wrong place after all…I do Hard Money lending,Create and hold long term mortgages,have cashflow properties (which I hate),have rehabbed homes,currently working on a waterfront lot building a high end home that will surely sit for a while before selling,I work as an option strategist for a mid sized hedge fund,have endless contacts in all industries of finance and real estate…I try to help others make money in this area of the forum to only be met by nonsense…

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Here’s the difference Rookie…

YOU have actually HELPED people here…REAL PEOPLE…That are making REAL MONEY…I’ve TALKED to some of the guy’s you’ve helped.

THAT is VALUABLE. THAT is why this site was CREATED…To bring EXPERIENCE and KNOWLEDGE of INVESTING to groups of people all in one place.

And since this IS a Real Estate INVESTORS SITE I would say YOUR imput here is valuable.

But here’s the BEST PART!! The HOME RUN of it all.

If I ever need advice setting up a big private money deal. I’ll send you a PM and I’ve got an experienced person with no SKIN in MY game giving me advice. The ONLY people here who understand the value in that are the people DOING DEALS. For those people, that is PRICELESS!!!

But if I ever need advice on buying an 800 sq ft termite infested DUMP and want to spend 2+ YEARS rehabbing it…I know just who to call. :rolleyes

BIG DIFFERENCE.

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“The 2 biggest supporters of Positive Outlooks harrassing ways are an 18 year old who smokes pot and works in the medical industry and another guy who is planning for Armageddon while penning books on how to get rich buying real estate…LOL…”

Note who is using personal insults… thank you for proving my point so theatrically…

“Like I said Positive Outlook brings nothing of substance to this forum…ZERO…”

Yes, like YOU said… But I guess with your feelings of self-importance, that should be ALL that’s necessary, right? If RookieNYC says it, it MUST be so… :rolleyes

I mean THINK about it Rookie… which one us ROUTINELY insults others and ridicules them and attempts to DEMEAN others because he places his value in money and his perceived social status?.. Who is trying to SILENCE other POV’s they disagree with through advocating BANNING them? Come to think of it, your a violation of the forum rules… do you not think RULES apply to you? After all, you are “rich” right?

Like its been said, money MAGNIFIES who you really are…

You want me gone SOOO bad that with your “seven-figure” income, you cannot even find a way to make it happen… so it looks like money doesn’t have as much power as you thought… I mean, you could BUY the site, right? And then ban me… or like I said, ask the owner how much they want, and once confirmed, for HALF I’ll leave and never "bother’ you again… So put your money where your mouth is or simply…

Get over yourself…

“Maybe its me who is in the wrong place after all…I do Hard Money lending,Create and hold long term mortgages,have cashflow properties (which I hate),have rehabbed homes,currently working on a waterfront lot building a high end home that will surely sit for a while before selling,I work as an option strategist for a mid sized hedge fund,have endless contacts in all industries of finance and real estate…I try to help others make money in this area of the forum to only be met by nonsense…”

Do you honestly NOT get the term RANDOM RAMBLINGS??? Certainly someone who needs to project self-importance such as yourself, can understand that RANDOM RAMBLINGS serves the function of discussing topics which may include issues other than stocks, right? If your value is as strong as you say, then why do you feel the need to list your resume???

FDJake,

“THAT is why this site was CREATED…”

THAT is why Random Ramblings was created… to filter out that which, on the one hand, you SAY you dislike, but on the other, are one of largest contributors… Everyone else seems to understand this concept but the two of you… it seems like you two are upset because you can’t “make the rules” after all… it looks like the owner and moderators see the VALUE in making it EQUAL for all… kind of like the Founding Fathers…

“And since this IS a Real Estate INVESTORS SITE I would say YOUR imput here is valuable.”

Funny how you feel the need to defend Rookie’s “value”… such a thing is normally apparent without explanation… Kinda like you AVOIDING answering simple questions like “what do you consider rich”… it is apparent without explanation WHY you avoid it…

“But if I ever need advice on buying a termite riddled DUMP and want to spend 2+ YEARS rehabbing it…I know who to call.”

Another sterling example of your math skills and exaggerations… LOL :biglaugh :lol Make’s one wonder about how “rich” you really are… is it a math mistake or an exaggeration…

“Termite infested” - you crack me up… is that ALL you have as a straw man??? You need to get some new material dude…

[i][b]FREE the HUD-1, FDjake!

What are you HIDING/AFRAID of?[/b][/i]

The FUNNY part is that the two of you are allegedly so successful, that you feel the need to browbeat people who you deem financially unsuccessful (which you refuse to define) on a forum called RANDOM RAMBLINGS… you are either insecure or of low character and reinforce the negative stereotype of “rich”… then again, one of you wants to “make the rules” and the other wants to ban POV’s he disagrees with on a forum called RANDOM RAMBLINGS… You two are SOOO rich, combine your efforts and you could BUY the site, keep the owner managing it, and get your WISH of banning me… but we ALL know you are all bark and no bite…

Like it was said… Money MAGNIFIES who you really are…

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Once AGAIN…

NOTHING…Absolutely NOTHING of value there.

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Fdjake,

“NOTHING…Absolutely NOTHING of value there.”

Thank you for being the self-appointed arbitor of what is of value for everyone else, Fdjake… you and RookieNYC seem to share the same self-importance… if YOU say it, it MUST be so… Funny though, because they are YOURS and ROOKIES quotes… :biglaugh :lol

What’s even funnier, is that you took the time to not only read it, but POST to it…

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Sorry to say, but I’m on the same page as hammertime.

I may not have a lot of postings, but I do LEARN a lot from the posts by fdjake, rookieNYC, propertymanager, and others. But, PO, I don’t even read your posts b/c all you do is psycho-analyze everyone else’s posts line-by-line and add nothing of value.

It might be entertaining to read fdjake constantly call you out on your BS, but it’s a waste of his time and everyone else’s time. I’d rather read productive postings on HOW TO MAKE MONEY from people who are doing it.

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NJbird_dog,

"Sorry to say, but I’m on the same page as hammertime. "

You can make any assertion you want, but if you can’t SUPPORT it, it is just your OPINION, which you and everyone else are completely entitled to… as am I… Hammertime made and assertion, was called on it, and he COULDN’T support it… much like what you are doing now…

“I may not have a lot of postings, but I do LEARN a lot from the posts by fdjake, rookieNYC, propertymanager, and others. But, PO, I don’t even read your posts b/c all you do is psycho-analyze everyone else’s posts line-by-line and add nothing of value.”

You mean of value to YOU… YOU don’t speak for everyone… and by using that little search button on top, you will find many times people agreeing with me on different subjects… That is of value to them, so you are incorrect if you are trying to apply it to everyone else… I go line-by-line because I believe it makes things clear… In addition, there are certain posters who like to CHANGE what they write when they are caught…

“It might be entertaining to read fdjake constantly call you out on your BS, but it’s a waste of his time and everyone else’s time. I’d rather read productive postings on HOW TO MAKE MONEY from people who are doing it.”

So let’s make sure we understand this… you don’t read the posts I write but were able to form an opinion that they “psycho-analyze everyone else’s posts line-by-line” and have ascertained that they contain nothing of “value”??? THAT is quite an accomplishment considering you not only don’t read them before but now… Add to the fact that the majority of my post are on RANDOM RAMBLINGS, which are exactly that - RANDOM… Makes COMPLETE sense…

Funny, Fdjake had a similar post a while back saying essentially the same thing… 'I don’t even read your posts", but then went on to read AND post to them… kinda like what you are doing right now…

“It might be entertaining to read fdjake constantly call you out on your BS, but it’s a waste of his time and everyone else’s time.”

If it is a waste of time, WHY are you not only reading what you claim not to be reading, but then POST on it to boot… :bs

“I’d rather read productive postings on HOW TO MAKE MONEY from people who are doing it.”

The interesting thing is NOONE is holding a gun to your head, and you can not only do EXACTLY that, but in addition to RANDOM RAMBLINGS, you have NINE other forums on this site that are investment specific… so your point is mute…

NEWSFLASH!!!

You NEVER have to read another thing I ever write or POST to it to boot!!! You have all the power there… But please spare everyone the “I don’t read what you write” BS… you are entitled to your opinion, but not everyone elses…

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posoutlook,
You are getting some good constructive criticism here but you are not taking it.

People are telling you to shorten your posts. Quit dissecting every sentence, and doing that “GOTTCHA!” posting that you like to do.

You are obviously a smart guy. Surely you can rein it in.

I don’t like the personal slamming but you invite it with those long go-nowhere responses. I, too, stay off this site sometimes because it is so fatigueing to be harassed by you.

I value this access to smart, experienced investors. What a terrific resource.

So, Pos, stop the hijacking and word diarrhea. You have posted thoughtful, insightful stuff in the past. A lot of which I disagreed with, but you made me think. Get back to that. Stop dissecting, slamming, and over-analyzing. You can do it, and I mean it well.

Furnishedowner

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Furnishedowner,

There is no constructive-criticism in what they are saying… That was very polite of you…

I have maintained all along that NOONE needs to read anything I write… All I do is put my thoughts out there and SUPPORT it… me calling someone out if they don’t SUPPORT their assertions which are usually directed at me personally is not harassment… The characterization of “harassment” of my posts is COMPLETELY unsupportable…

“I don’t like the personal slamming but you invite it with those long go-nowhere responses. I, too, stay off this site sometimes because it is so fatigueing to be harassed by you.”

I don’t harass, and I reject that characterization… I only answer what is posted… If you don’t post, I have nothing to answer… it’s as simple as that… but then don’t pretend that others don’t do EXACTLY the same in posting while hurling personal attacks and demeaning dialog (breaking the forum rules), and then hypocritically have the gall to say that people you disagree with should be BANNED… In addition, I don’t break forum rules by calling people names, I don’t swear, and I seldom participate in the knife-twisting… But I don’t expect that I will shy away from defending my position on a subject just because someone characterizes it as harassment, even though it contains no insults, or swearing, but theirs do…

Like others, I PREFER that personal attacks were kept at a minimum as they just DISTRACT from the thread.

“Stop dissecting, slamming, and over-analyzing. You can do it, and I mean it well.”

If you consider answering posts point-by-point “dissecting”, that’s just my style… It is what I am comfortable with… you are free not to like it OR read it OR post to it…

“So, Pos, stop the hijacking and word diarrhea.”

Go back and read it… I did not hijack this thread… and that is usually the case…

“You have posted thoughtful, insightful stuff in the past. A lot of which I disagreed with, but you made me think.”

I am glad you find value in it… thank you for the thought…

Interestingly enough, I am hearing from the people I expected to hear from… There are two more I expect who will not be able to hold back from adding to the pile-on…

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PO,

I’m in agreement with all the others stating you provide little to no value to most threads you repond to here, as this is an RE forum. The only value I have ever actually gotten from your posts is from the FHA 90 day rule change you posted recently. Other than that, I generally just skip your long drawn out replys.

As a long time reader and recent contributor, the only posts I have always skipped were from you and, the now banned, Hooch. At one point, I thought you where one of the same posting under different names.

Anyways, I am sure you will respond to this and I will just skip over it, so don’t even expect a response because I just don’t have the time or interest, but I’d like to take this opportunity to provide some friendly advise. You really seem to enjoy writing and have quite a bit of time on your hands so you should strongly consider creating your own blog. You could post affiliate offers from amazon and other affiliate networks (just do a google search) and at least make some cash.

You could easily sign up with blogger.com or wordpress.com and be on your way. Just have a sign up box on your blog to send out a political newsletter for your subscribers who would enjoy your polical views (there are PLENTY of people on the net that would enjoy your writing) along with some affiliate offers, put banner ads, advertising space or even promote your own e-book on your blog/newsletter.

I think your time would be much better spent on your own blog, rather than just coming here and arguing with just about every single poster that dosen’t see things the way you do. Having your own blog (something I really think you would be great at) would allow you to create and grow some nice Virtual Realestate and maybe someday sell all that content (you’d have that content under your own domain name to sell it eg. positiveoutlookspoliticalviews.com) for some great $$ if you want. Flippa.com is perfect for that.

Something to think about PO.

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Wowzers, im really surprised by all the hate towards PO. I dont get it.

Honestly, there isnt anybody on this site that I DONT like (although FurnishedOwner does say the dumbest crap ever almost every post)… why cant we all just get along… damn.

Btw, Rookie, I dont smoke pot :slight_smile: Pot is for fooooools. (I really dont…)

Rookie, seriously tho. You got any books or anything you highly recommend about hard money lending? Ive been lookin at that for quite a while and it seems much more appealing than dealing with crappy tenants.

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Hoosier,

“Wowzers, im really surprised by all the hate towards PO. I dont get it.”

Don’t be Hoosier… Look at the ones who are posting it… COMPLETELY predictable… I am still waiting for two others… but don’t worry… it is only a debate tactic… you KNOW this, because without question, they ALL have said in one form or another, at one time or another… “I don’t read your posts, BUT…” and then on TOP of that POST to them… tells you all you need to know… just use the search bar, and you’ll see what I am saying is true…

Take the recent post before yours from REIER… according to his profile, he JUST registered here on January 12, 2010… When he says…

“I think your time would be much better spent on your own blog, rather than just coming here and arguing with just about every single poster that dosen’t see things the way you do”

The funny thing about this UNsupported OPINION is that there are PLENTY of posts where people out and out tell me that they agree with what I am saying… so read it for what it is…

Posting literally takes minutes, but they TRY to make it sound like I am ALWAYS on here, when in most cases, if you look at their profiles, they spend MORE time on here than I do… I’ve demonstrated that time and time again… it may be that they are slow typers or it takes a long time for them to form their thoughts or they don’t know how to multitask… who knows…

But I certainly don’t live or base my life off of it… Read and post if you want or DON’T… it’s ALL in their power… The funny thing is, they try to play it off like they don’t when the FACTS get in their way…

"Btw, Rookie, I dont smoke pot Smiley Pot is for fooooools. "

But don’t think that will stop them from trying to demean you using it… it gives you insight into their personality… the minute they bring up pot smoking again, you KNOW you touched a nerve and they want to find a way to demean your POV because they CAN’T with the FACTS… instead of sticking to the FACTS, they go off on personal attacks or things that have NOTHING to do with the thread as a diversion…

As long as you SUPPORT what you say Hoosier, they have to resort to such tactics, because they HAVE NOTHING ELSE but personal attacks and straw men… They KNOW this…

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I’m no psychologist, but you’re displaying traits of schizo/paranoia/cynicism

No one’s out to get you dude… “THEY” don’t wish bad on you…

REIER actually had some great advice on blogging.

Anyway, regarding the original topic, here’s something that was just emailed to me. I think hoosier would enjoy watching it to better understand why things are happening the way they are in our life time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2b6dznIrfw
watch the series

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NJbird_dog

“I’m no psychologist, but you’re displaying traits of schizo/paranoia/cynicism No one’s out to get you dude… “THEY” don’t wish bad on you…”

This is why you shouldn’t practice armchair psychology… Can you show me where I said anyone was “out to get me” or where I said, that “they” wish bad on you?

Hoosier, case in point… here is another example of what I am talking about… (from a previous NJbird_dog post in THIS thread)…

"I don’t even read your posts b/c all you do is psycho-analyze everyone else’s posts line-by-line and add nothing of value. "

What is inane, is that he says he doesn’t “read” my posts, but not only goes on to read them, but post to them “psycho-analyzing” me in the process in ANOTHER post after claiming that is what I do… :biglaugh :lol

He has followed the SAME pattern as the others… “I don’t read your posts” (but I do, actually), and “I certainly don’t post because it is a waste of time” (but I do anyway)… :bs

When you post with SUPPORTING facts, using their own words, the truth is on your side…

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Positive Outlook ,
I was asked by a moderator to stop answering you back because they have already received numerous complaints into why you are even posting on this forum…And you would be dealt with accordingly…So savor the flavor…You fool no one with your banter…And you said earlier that I cant back up what I say,I distinctly remember making an offer to fly you out to NYC for a face to face interview with me and you did what all cowards do…Twist it and HIDE behind your keyboard…Do what you do best…Keep running your mouth from far away…The moderators and everyone on this forum are onto you as can be seen by the continual bashing posts you are receiving… :beer

Hoosier,
I actually read 2 great books but I like this one the best…

Private Mortgage Investing: How to Earn 12% or More on Your Savings, Investments, IRA Accounts and Personal Equity–A Complete Resource Guide with 100s …Secrets From the Experts Who Do It Every Day (Paperback)
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and this one

Make Your Money Make Money For You: A Step-by-Step Guide to Trust Deed Investments and Financial Independence by Amarjit Ahluwalia (Paperback - Aug. 22, 2007)

Despite the distraction here please feel free to private message me anytime if I can help you with any questions you may have…