Perhaps if they didn’t waste so much on medicare/medicaid (see my above post) they wouldnt need $500B to fund it. There are a ton of other wastes. The biggest waste I see are the young and able bodied people that are bilking the system. They get their income from social security disability and their healthcare from medicaid. THAT is the waste. Not the cost healthcare services. Don’t even get me started with the illegal immigrants… But many of these people are also voters. A candidate promising to cut these deadbeats off the system will never see the light of day.
Phlemboy NAILED IT!!!
We’re ALREADY paying for this Countries LOSERS to get THEIR medical attention…
The ONLY one’s getting screwed are the people that run into a job loss, or they work at a business that doesn’t provide health care…THEN GET SICK!!!
To this DAY the NUMBER 1 cause of BANKRUPTCY in this country is an ORDINARY WORKING PERSON, getting SICK, without HEALTH COVERAGE!!
WHO PAYS FOR THAT??? WE ALL DO!!!
We’re already PAYING for NIT WITS coverage…WAKE UP!!
I can understand the outrage over Obamacare…Cripes we spend BILLIONS every year buying wheelchairs for people that never receive them due to medicaid fraud.
Let’s REALLY LOOK at what an INSURANCE COMPANY DOES…
INSURANCE COMPANIES: They COLLECT MONEY and NEGOTIATE prices…
The FEDERAL GOVERMENT: They COLLECTS TAXES and then solicite BIDS on everything from F-18 Hornets to Goverment CHEESE…
Right now Health Insurance Companies make BILLIONS in profits every year with the MONEY they collect.
Boeing sells PLANES to private industry AND the GOVERMENT…Why can’t INSURANCE COMPANIES do that???
Provide a BASIC policy that covers CATASTROPHIC ILLNESS. Have the Government SET LIMITS on how much INSURANCE COMPANIES can charge for it…It would be a BARE BONES POLICY…COMPETITION would regulate how many people received it…How many people aspire to work at WALMART??? NOT MANY…Because the PAY and the BENEFITS SUCK…If that’s all you WANT out of life, that’s all you’re getting. a basic insurance policy that won;t BANKRUPT YOu if you have a heart attack while working for WALMART…If you want a BETTER POLICY…Earn more and find a better job!!!
This is EXACTLY how the market currently works…The better the INDIVIUALS TRAINING and SKILLS the BETTER THE JOB!!! But even THESE folks can get SLAMMED if they lose a job for an extended period of time and can;t afford COBRA payments. At least a BASIC POLICY would provide a NET. The Goverment could REQUIRE insurance companies to provide that coverage and a reduced rate.
This is ALREADY done with PUBLIC UTILITIES…Their RATES are CAPPED. Any INCREASE must be approved by a Public Utilities commision…Basically a GOVERMENT Over site committee that REGULATES or makes the RULES.
These are RULES that the GOVERMENT has put in place…We’re ALREADY sending the Goverment our MONEY…But I have a REAL PROBLEM with putting HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of DOLLARS IN United Health’s CEO’s POCKET as premiums rise 20% per year.
What we have…AIN’T WORKING…The PRIVATE END and the Goverment end.
Ive been working at ALOT of hospitals for clinicals at nursing school, and let me tell you, it all boils down to one thing…
If were going to offer somebody something (hospitals dont have the right to refuse any patient healthcare) that makes NOTHING, its going to cost everybody else MORE.
Example? This one guy comes in just last week and I was assigned to take care of him. He obviously has NO money, I saw a picture of him inside his trailor stapled onto his wall. However, this guy is CONSTANTLY on a respirator, gets 7 different medications (I passed out his meds to him), and requires his vitals taken every 2 hrs. Let me ask you this… how can you POSSIBLY make that work? It DOESNT!!! All this stuff doesnt get paid for by a magical fairy made out of money.
Bottom line is, America has to make a decision, either they are going to have to deny coverage to some that cant pay, or understand the simple fact that America will be in a hole when it comes to debt and Health Care.
We offer services to people that they cant afford/will never be able to afford (they arent making much money), and that simply DOES NOT WORK, you WILL BE IN THE RED if you do this… Its common sense… its the ONLY way it can work, its simple math.
The problem in this country is not healthcare - it’s socialism!
People do NOT have a RIGHT to food.
People do NOT have a RIGHT to housing.
People do NOT have a RIGHT to healthcare.
People do NOT have a RIGHT to drugs (legal or otherwise).
People do NOT have a RIGHT to insurance (health or any other type of insurance).
People do NOT have a RIGHT to a free cellphone.
People do NOT have a RIGHT to an automobile.
People do NOT have a RIGHT to a big screen T.V.
People do NOT have a RIGHT to be lazy and still have the same things that I have.
People DO have a RIGHT to PURSUE happiness, they don’t have a right to happiness at my expense.
People have a RIGHT to life and liberty (in other words, a right to make their own decisions and be responsible for the consequences of those decisions). People do NOT have the right to live for free with me paying for them.
Yes Mike, unfortuetly, this country is full of people like FO who do not understand this.
I’d like to point out that i do support govt. programs that help people who are TRULY unable to care for themselves. My main beef is with the able bodied people who bilk the system. They’re able to do it because there is too many loopholes and lack of oversight. These people are taking because the govt. is giving. The only way that can change is if the masses decide that enough is enough and it gets in the heads of the polititians before and after they’re elected.
I respect your opinions FO…
Whether or not I agree, or disagree, with them is not the isuee…I really appreciate your truthful comments.
I’m certainly no expert…but if we can come to the conclusion that all matter on the earth is connected…then maybe we can mutually agree to listen to , and to help one another.
I came forward from non-physical to enjoy life…and I have unfortunately made so many mistakes that has landed me in the current position I currently reside in…but what I’ve learned is…never give up…
Rookie,
Very well put.I’ve posted the same arguement with anyone who supports this anti-capitalist administration.Good lord does this guy have to bring Chevez himself into his administraion for some people to see this?? :banghead
Phlem,
I used to run a shop selling auto accessories.It was like clockwork we sold more rims,tint,etc right after some “stimulous” came.And I know some of you will argue that proves it worked.Not in my book,instead of these deadbeats spending $3k on wheels for their $500 car.Why don’t they take a trade course??I’ll answer=because they know there’s more to come.They have been born to expect entitilements.What a monster our govt has created,and proposing to fix it with even more for them to abuse.Sad mentality the govt has etched in some minds(mainly the ones who are told to look for the (D) behind candidates names).Sad robot zombies fueled by “free” crap will never know their true potential.
I’m convinced at least 50% of my town’s population is on sect 8. The mentality is ridiculous here. Just like bama said, people have to have their multi thousand dollar wheels and sound systems, but they rely on the govt for daily subsistence. Only one third of our rentals here are not sect 8. Just like the young lady in her mid-20s we had to evice a couple weeks ago. Not overweight or otherwise unable to work. But she’s a pro at having kids (4) and finding gov’t programs to use. And yes she had a nicer tv than we do. If people’s priorities are all screwed up, they should live with the consequences. This is NOT solely about healthcare. It’s about the decisions people make to get themselves in the situation they’re in. I’ve never tried an illicit drug in my life. I’m very religous, but I could give a crap if a deadbeat addict is denied healthcare, housing, etc. People have to want to help themselves. You can’t save everyone.
I came forward from non-physical to enjoy life...
Just as I suspected…doo,doo,doo,doo doo,doo,doo,doo (theme song from twighlight zone).
and I have unfortunately made so many mistakes that has landed me in the current position I currently reside in
If you stayed in the physical and spent less time on the psychological mumbo-jumbo (and more time on hard work), then you might find yourself in a better position.
Good lord does this guy have to bring Chevez himself into his administraion for some people to see this??
The Chosen One wouldn’t take Chevez because Chevez is too far to the right of our Socialist in Chief. Obama’s goal is to turn the United States into an old soviet style socialist/communist/marxist state (and he’s close to succeeding). Once successful, what do you think the socialists/communists are going to do with the tens of millions of lazy deadbeats in this country? What did Mao do? What did Stalin do?
Something I don’t understand.
Would you people who hate Rush so intensely explain to me why you listen to him if you don’t like him.
tatertot,
Sometimes I am FORCED to listen to Rush because:
- The DVD player in my van broke and I am too cheap to replace it.
- Driving across “The Big Empty”, a 3-hour stretch of desert prairie with no towns) there are 3 stations: far-right radio of Rush and his kind, Christian radio evangelists, Radio Mexico.
- I get sleepy. Anger helps keep me awake.
Now you know.
rookie,
Yes, okay. I do take advantage of others with my Capitalistic ways of outbidding them on property, selling high, buying low. Renting higher than others. Making profit occasionally. When I can. But mostly I meant that it is not right that I can afford my outrageous United Health Care premium, while others get no health care at all. Because they are the working poor and can not afford it.
Hoosier,
The Constitution does not cover a whole lot of things.
Propertymanager,
NO, WE DO NOT HAVE THE BEST HEALTH CARE IN THE WORLD. That is judged by longevity rates, 1-year infant death rates, rates of infection, etc. You are wrong.
I am with fdjake, and some of you others in that I believe we need a BOTTOM LINE SAFETY NET in health care.
We should ALL pay for it.
No one should be bankrupted by an illness. No one should be forced to stay in a dead-end job because they can’t give up health benefits.
We need government in health care, JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHER FIRST WORLD COUNTRIES HAVE DONE, because it is just too big, too expensive, too difficult to regulate without government involvement.
I am selfish, too. I want what is humane and right. But I also want universal health care because when I go to Wal-Mart, and you cough on me with your untreated TB, I could end up spitting blood too.
Furnishedowner
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Hoosier,
The Constitution does not cover a whole lot of things.
Can you name one? I cant…
Names everything the Federal Gov is ALLOWED to do, then lets everything else be left up to the states.
Education? STATES
Health Care? STATES
The Constitution covers EVERYTHING. You just dont LIKE it because it doesnt let the Federal Government do EVERYTHING.
Anger helps keep me awake. :bobble
I know what you mean…If I ever hear All Franken or Jeanine Garafalo speak I want to smack the daylights outta them…Add in Miss Libby Susan Sarandon…And Sean Penn…Should I go on?..LOL
Rookie,
Very well put.I’ve posted the same arguement with anyone who supports this anti-capitalist administration.Good lord does this guy have to bring Chevez himself into his administraion for some people to see this??
Sellnbama
I too find this unnerving when I talk politics with my liberal co-workers…It puzzles me deeply…How can someone be in agreement with this administration and be a self proclaimed capitalist…Its absurd…
allagash,
The northern part of the Chihuahuan Desert, southern part of the Great American Prairie.
Hoosier,
Think what a mess we would have if each state had to provide a state health care plan. Americans move around way too much for that. It would be an expensive bureaucratic nightmare.
rookie,
The far left is often waaay too far out there. They can’t make their philosophy practical. And they demonize the right. I would put myself in the middle, leaning left. The solutions have to work.
Furnishedowner
Furnished,
I think you meant your CD player instead of DVD,right?I listen to Rush pretty often,but sometimes I do admit somethings seem so repetitive.I still think he’s the best at what he does,which explains his enormous $400mill deal.But I have to respect him from starting from ground up on A.M. during the most undesirable time of day.ANd yet still keeps that time,and stays on top.It’s a pretty big accomplishment for a deaf guy to boot,whether you agree with his politics or not.
I idolize this type of person who proves anything is possible.WHat a great opportunity we have in this country,for now anyway. :beer
sellnbama,
You are right. Yes, CD. I am not technologically advanced.
Rush Limbaugh has a great way with words, and a distinctive speaking voice. He sucks you into listening.
But he is also toxic! He spews hate and intolerance.
He is the voice of the disenfranchised back-woods guy with a load of firearms. He feeds the paranoia and anti-government hatred of a whole class of people. He gives his listeners what they want; he plays them, and feeds the fires of outrage. He does this to increase his popularity, not because he wants change. Heck, change would lower the thermostat and decrease the number of listeners.
Rush is for non-thinkers. Rush preaches and tells people what to think. He is dogmatic, never questioning or wanting to learn. His followers are sheep, nodding their heads, oh yeah, Obama is a leftist, the Democrats are satanic, the country is going to socialist hell.
He mocks women and people with disabilities. He is smart as a fox and careful not to use racially-charged words or they would pull him off the air. How correct do you think that man is in private?
I dislike him because he is so predictable, always sings the same tune. He only tears down, never builds up. He is a hate monger. Has he ever, personally, done anything positive for another human being?
He doesn’t debate anyone on his show because his ego can’t share the limelight. He can’t take the chance of being out-smarted.
Look at the difference between him and Larry King. I learn something every time I listen to his thoughtful guest interviews.
When I hear Rush Limbaugh I am reminded of the German Minister of Propaganda, who fanned the flames of German Nationalism in the 1930’s with his fiery appeals and his hatred. Those radio speeches can still be listened to.
Losing Rush Limbaugh and his air-wave mimics would sweeten the sound coming out of my radio on those long drives.
Furnishedowner
I only hate 3 people and they are all people I know and have done something deliberately to hurt me. I don’t know Rush so I don’t hate him. I listen to him because anybody that doesn’t understand both side of any issue doesn’t really understand what the issue is and so doesn’t really have a view. Neither conservatives nor Liberals are not some mindless monsters that want to tear down the country, they have a view based on some set of fears, experiences, and desires.
That is why I made my son (who is a liberal to the max) go to see Sarah Palin when she came to Houston.
Rush and Palin and for that matter Obama and Pelosi are politicians. They espouse a certain view because it is the view of their political side. They are not right or wrong, they are political. I listen to Rush to understand the raw view without consideration of life’s lessons.
I do find it funny that the 2 premier voices of the conservatives are people with very limited education and social exposure.
Be a good parent and make your son listen to Ron Paul (A TRUE American). Also… read the Constitution.