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Christopher,

"Rates are at near record lows. The refi plus program is working like a champ. Business is up over 100% from last year. So yes as a matter of fact I was talking about my job right now. "

Great… we all are making money on our job… :rolleyes You seem to be confused… my investment is a side investment, not my full-time work… so your point was either confusion or more blathering…

“Nope not one. I use good professional inspectors and appraisers obviously you will need a referral in the future because the people you are trusting are morons. Whats that they say about birds of a feather flocking together??”

This past year yielded you not one faulty appraisal or inspection in one of the most conusing and tumultuous market conditions we’ve seen in a long time, eh?.. AMAZING… :bs No kick-backs from quality-control, huh?.. sniff, sniff… me smells some… :bs

“I am sorry I thought you were familiar with the term inflation. You are thinking of APPRECIATION but nice try”

Very good, and what do you think INFLATION will do to interest rates and COGS??? Now think short-term and long-term impact…

“And in case you were wondering yes people in Houston read REICLUB as I have picked up many customers out of Houston, San Antonio, Galveston, etc…”

And yet for some strange reason you wouldn’t put your HML on REICLUB… makes all sorts of business sense… :bs

Like I said, when you DO IT, we’ll believe it… until then… just words…

“Your right positive I just made this up on the fly to impress you.”

Considering this is the FIRST time you brought the HML scenario up, and this is NOT the first time we have discussed this, that could very well be… but, that said, when you are up and running, just post it to REICLUB to advance your exposure, and that will certainly put any question on it to rest… In the meantime, they are just words at this point…

“However based on your track record I think anybody needing a rehabber should avoid you and your company like the plague.”

Christopher, you have no idea how off base you are here… :biglaugh :lol

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THUD…

Senate Finance Committee members have been notified that the committee’s health reform bill was filed today. S. 1796 weighs in at 1,502 pages!!!

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1502 pages,I just read that too.WHere does this madness end??I felt so empty watching beck today when he had on a parent of a student graduating listening to Anita Dunn’s Mao reference.They had to hide his identity and scrambled voice.What is happening to our great country??The last time I seen this was on a mafia documentary.

This administration is stealing our rights and at the same time blaming us.2010,2012 can’t get here soon enough.

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I have heard that our hospital admissions (except for Swine Flu) are really down here. I have heard that people are postponing their elective surgeries (knee replacements, etc.) until our new health care system arrives. People just don’t want to deal with the insurance companies anymore.

I listened to CNN-2 last night. (While feeding my new nightly addiction on on-line Scrabble). Michelle Obama and a group that supports women with breast cancer issues.

Woman after woman got up and told their stories of how out of the blue, no family history, they got breast cancer. Then how they got cured. Then how their health insurance company CANCELED THEIR INSURANCE ANYWAY. And no one else would insure them (hey, you might get it again!). They lived in fear of dying and bankrupting their families. Criminal acts by the insurance companies, in my opinion.

This is the kind of thing we should all be screaming about. Almost every family around now has an insurance horror story. And some of you want to carry on with only those people controlling your health decisions?!

Let’s put the insurance companies in competition with a government option and let’s see how they perform on our behalf.

Europe does it, Canada does it, Australia does it, Japan does it. They all have government programs for the health of their people. Are we so much stupider or corrupt that we can’t do the same?

All of those above people live longer, healthier lives than Americans.

We need to do way better. Adequate public health care for every American is our right.

Furnishedowner

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Sigh… really?

Im not going to get into this “Other countries do it, so we should to” debate, beause frankly, your an idiot if you think we should do things just because thats how everybody else does it.

But what really interests me Furnished… is what I BOLDED in your quoted post about.

Health Care is a right aye? Says who? You? The Constitution surely doesnt say thats a right. Uhmm… I certainly dont think its a right (my money will be paying for it). Uhmmm… Where did you hear Health Care is a right?

If Health Care is a right… is free food a right? It must be because… you die without it, and if you eat poorly, your going to need to go to the hospital more arent you?

If Health Care is a righ… then free housing is too right? IF your living under HORRIBLY conditions (on the street), then your going to need to need to go the hospital more often due to illnesses since your… living on the street.

So… If Health Care is a RIGHT, then FOOD and SHELTER shoud be a right too shouldnt it? All 3 go hand in hand. If we dont have free FOOD and SHELTER, then that’ll drive up the costs (since people are eating bad and living under bad conditions)

Sigh…

Furnished… seriously. Are you an idiot? Your watching CNN… and your believing it. You are the exact deffinition of the people these Liberals pray upon. They think they are so much better than everybody else, and if they say something, PEOPLE WILL BELIEVE IT, because they are stupid. Well… now I see… they are right in some cases (you).

IF you honestly believe what you typed right there, I feel sorry for you. I really do… I have some advice for you okay? Look up the deffinition “stealing” and the deffinition “Socialism”, then look at Obamas policies…

Then… I want you to pick up something called… " The U.S Constitution" and “The Federalist Papers”, and “The Bible” and other things about the Founding Fathers (they talk about what makes this country great.)

Now… do you honestly still stick my your JOKE of a post that you just posted? Boy oh boy, you are a SHEEP of a person. Believe what those CNN bastards tell you. God… what a joke. I hope you know that, even though you think your post what compelling and reassuring, it just makes you look like a complete moron. LOOK at the STATES that have ALREADY TRIED SOCIALIZED HEALTH CARE!!! IT DOESNT WORK!!! THEY BANKRUPT!!!

Bottom line is… Health Care is NOT a right, its a commodity. Life, Liberty, and the RIGHT to own property… Your a Marxist moron.

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Furnishedowner,

“I have heard that our hospital admissions (except for Swine Flu) are really down here. I have heard that people are postponing their elective surgeries (knee replacements, etc.) until our new health care system arrives. People just don’t want to deal with the insurance companies anymore.”

So let’s get this right… you have “heard” that people are going to put off for TWO YEARS (the earliest it will be available if it ever passes), surgery? Sounds like they are prepping themselves to get used to government care… :rolleyes :beer

“Woman after woman got up and told their stories of how out of the blue, no family history, they got breast cancer. Then how they got cured. Then how their health insurance company CANCELED THEIR INSURANCE ANYWAY. And no one else would insure them (hey, you might get it again!). They lived in fear of dying and bankrupting their families. Criminal acts by the insurance companies, in my opinion.”

You glance over the fact that the insurance company got them the care they needed (at many times what they would have ever paid into it, mind you), they were cured and then you criticize them for not wanting to go into further debt. I guess you think that their premiums should not have increased also, right?

See, the problem with your story is that unless every one of those women on CNN had individual policies that they, NOT THEIR EMPLOYER, paid for, the story doesn’t hold up, as if their insurance was part of a group policy. and it doesn’t work that way. Don’t be so easily manipulated…

“This is the kind of thing we should all be screaming about. Almost every family around now has an insurance horror story. And some of you want to carry on with only those people controlling your health decisions?!”

LOL… are you trying to tell us that there are not Medicare nightmare stories??? If so, you are COMPLETELY fooling yourself… add to that, 90% of them have to get SUPPLEMENTAL insurace to cover gaps in their insurance…

“Let’s put the insurance companies in competition with a government option and let’s see how they perform on our behalf.”

Instead of ONE (government) option, let’s open it up to the 1300+ insurance companies that already exist… If the government takes it all over, over 650,000 employees would be displaced…


“We need to do way better. Adequate public health care for every American is our right.”

Well, if we are naming “rights” that exist NOWHERE but in your mind, I want a “right” to stay in a furnished apartment for a $1 a day… and I want the government to subsidize at $5 a day… why should I have to spend money on lodging for vacation, I think it my right not to have to… por better yet, why shouldn’t all furnished property owners should have to submit their vacancies to the government, and the HOMELESS or those who need housing should get those for FREE… Why not? makes about as much sense as saying you have a “right” to healthcare,…

You are looking for something that does not exist ANYWHERE on this planet… and the countries you listed are ALL looking to PRIVATE INDUSTRY to help save them from their current nightmare… Yeah, but government is the answer… :rolleyes

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Hey Positive… you have more money than I do. THAT ISNT RIGHT!! I have the RIGHT to have the same things you do!! GIMME GIMME

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“Hey Positive… you have more money than I do. THAT ISNT RIGHT!! I have the RIGHT to have some of your money!! GIMME GIMME”

All fluff aside, that is EXACTLY what we are talking about…

But you will now note that there is now an amendment to EXEMPT federal employees and labor union employees from the “Cadillac” insurance tax… they wouldn’t NEED an exemption if they didn’t have it already…

But everyone else should pay… :rolleyes

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Im just hoping to GOD that Obama doesnt get capntrade/health care/stimulus #2 passed and we can wait it out till 2010. I have a feeling America is going to CLEAN HOUSE on 2010, and make it almost impossibl for Obama to get his agenda passed (I think he knows this, which is why hes trying so hard to get it PASSED NOW NOW NOW NOW).

People like Furnished, who are blindly stupid in following Hussein, are becoming more of a minority. Thank God for people like Glenn Beck who have a stage to expose all the corruption.

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Your a Marxist moron.

As if you have any room to call ANYONE a moron.

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Hoosier and Pos.Outlook and you others:

I was reporting to you that I had been listening to a live feed from the Jacqueline Kennedy garden on CNN-2. Here that is a channel that feeds live from Congress, etc.

This was not reportage or analyses from reporters, it was live women in front of a microphone. They reported that THEIR INSURANCE GOT CANCELED, after they got their first cancer treatments. As you know, cancer must be monitored for years, as it can come back. THESE WOMEN COULD NOT GET NEW INSURANCE!

So they lived in dread fear of bankrupting their families if they got sick again. I did not make this up. I was shocked by the callousness of the insurance companies. About 6 different women spoke of their similar problem. Michelle Obama spoke of her hope that such stories be done away with under our new health policies.

It is insanity and criminal to cancel someone’s policy because they might get sick again. Yes, that should be absolutely forbidden. The insurance companies have put themselves on the firing line with their underhanded and excessive profit-driven policies. They deserve to go out of business.

Hoosier,

Just to educate you, you need to know that the people DO NOT interpret the Constitution. Well, actually they do. But just NINE PEOPLE. It is the very job of the Supreme Court to interpret our laws according to the Constitution.

Each justice has dozens of lawyers doing nothing but research for him/her. Each justice takes weeks or months to ponder one point. Then they meet in total privacy and debate amongst themselves, after having heard the opposing viewpoints out in the court. They take their mandate damned seriously. Those nine have been hand-picked and approved of by our elected representatives.

So, Hoosier, you can breathe a big sigh of relief. Interpreting the Constitution is no longer your duty! You can get back to your bong, TV, whatever turns you on.

Furnishedowner

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Llc_BN3MlIk Watch that…

Obama right here admits the Consitution is “flawed”, he doesnt support it. Your telling me… just because 9 Justices (most picked by Socialites) have a job to “interpet” the Constitution, its irrelavant whether Obama personally supports it or not?!?

As far as the bong, no thanks. Im busy with college… you know, im actually putting more HOPE in MYSELF than your Messiah Obama. (I know I know, you Socialist Liberals HATE the thought of a Middle Class American trying to have SUCCESS without the Governments help. Sorry Marxist.

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Another ridiculous comment from the uneducated child…

Your telling me… just because 9 Justices (most picked by Socialites)

John G. Roberts, Jr.-Chief Justice of the United States-Nominated by George W. Bush.

John Paul Stevens-Nominated by Gerald Ford.

Antonin Scalia-Nominated by Ronald Reagan

Anthony M. Kennedy-Nominated by Ronald Reagan

Clarence Thomas-Nominated by Nominated by George H. W. Bush.

Ruth Bader Ginsburg-Nominated by President Clinton

Stephen G. Breyer-Nominated by President Clinton

Samuel A. Alito, Jr-Nominated by George W. Bush.

David H. Souter (Retired)-Nominated by Nominated by George H. W. Bush.

Sandra Day O’Connor (Retired)-Nominated by Ronald Reagan

As you can see Hoosier of the last 10 Supreme Court Justices there have been 2 nominated by “socialites”.

So where does that leave you now? These are incredibly brilliant people who dedicate their lives to interpreting the constitution yet someone like you who can’t even formulate an original thought is going to sit here and question their judgement because of who nominated them. Seriously man did you even crack a book in high school? There is a reason you are going to “East Bum F**K Junior College for Nursing” and not Harvard hell your not even going to IU. I think I like it better when you just regurgitate what you hear from other people instead of when you try to put a coherent thought together. All it does is reinforce the fact that you are UNEDUCATED. Go back to your pathetic internet search for Hooch and let the grown ups talk.

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#1, Bush is a Socialist. Just because somebody is a Republican doesnt mean they arent Socialites (MCCAIN). Therefor, whats the count now? More than 2 aye?

#2… Your going to attack me for going to a JUCO Chris!!! LMFAO. First of all, its ALOT CHEAPER than good ole IU. My parents are VERY middle class you idiot, NOT EVERYBODY can afford to spend 3-4X more money for the SAME EDUCATION. Wow Chris, aside from making a comment that really was just stupid, you really came across as a dick on this one. Sorry everybody doesnt have money like you bud. We get it Chris, your so good, you got money, I dont. Whipdefukin doo. Your so awesome. Its amazing how Liberals think everybody is below them, it baffles me.

You know what, screw this. Im taking your advice and finding a different board. Your welcome. Arrogant prick.

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Furnishedowner,

[i][b]“Woman after woman got up and told their stories of how out of the blue, no family history, they got breast cancer. Then how they got cured. Then how their health insurance company CANCELED THEIR INSURANCE ANYWAY.”

“This was not reportage or analyses from reporters, it was live women in front of a microphone. They reported that THEIR INSURANCE GOT CANCELED, after they got their first cancer treatments.”
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Well, in the first post you said that they got the treatments and were cured, then the insurance was cancelled… then in the second post, you said that their insurance was cancelled after their first treatment, and then they couldn’t get insurance… which is it?

Either way, the insurance company fulfilled their obligation according to what you wrote, and I might add, at a cost ABOVE what they likely received in premiums from these women… the insurance companies are not obligated to take someone on as a customer YET… the difference between us is I think by getting the HEALTH insurance companies COMPETING against one another for our business, like they do for ALL OTHER CONSUMER INSURANCES, which have lead to DECREASES in premiums ACROSS THE BOARD, you want to use the government to FORCE the insurance companies to do something… one of the reasons why I believe you are a socialist… that’s fine until YOUR ox is gored… Like a wise man once said…

“When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic” - [i]Benjamin Franklin

[/i]Furnishedowner, do you think you are defending the Republic by voting to have government take from one and give to another???..

Now I am not a defender of insurance companies… I think they are a necessary evil… but hate them like everyone else…

“It is insanity and criminal to cancel someone’s policy because they might get sick again.”

Now again, the only way these women could have been dropped is if they had an individual policy… if they were part of a group policy… it doesn’t work that way… So I still maintain until we have more information, you were being manipulated… Look at the Obama speeches on NATIONAL TV, and the individual examples he used ended up NOT BEING TRUE… So don’t put it past them that this was a set-up… it wouldn’t be the first or last time…

I am curious, however… if these women’s insurance companies were forced to carry them, do you think they should have to pay an elevated premium based on their risk? If so, how much??

Be careful how you answer, and really put some thought into it…

“The insurance companies have put themselves on the firing line with their underhanded and excessive profit-driven policies. They deserve to go out of business.”

Interestingly enough, insurance companies net anywhere from 2-8% profit margin, which is an average ROI for alot of industries… and like alot of industries, their top management makes millions… Sportss, actors, software industry, hollywood, entertainers, NEWSCASTERS, I could go on an on… Why is it not criminal for them? After all, we have cheaper everything if they didn’t make so much, right??? Heck, we pay a small fortune to go to the movies… Real estate plays a HUGE role in how much we pay for things…

If an insurance company does not meets it contractual obligations… slam them… But don’t forget those lawyers who ALSO get paid MILLIONS…

What is very interesting to me is that you tell everyone on this site, how you are able to charge MORE for what you offer in your furnished units… some would call that excessive profits (not me, mind you), but you are OK with your profits, right?

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Its amazing how Liberals think everybody is below them, it baffles me.

I don’t think anyone is below me. To paraphrase a quote from Chris Rock “Anyone who makes up their mind in an argument without hearing both sides is a f*****g idiot”.

I live by the live and let live rule but when I hear complete idiots like you bashing the government and saying things like “abolish the FDA” and “Bush is a socialist” I feel the need to stand up and say “SHUT UP”. You sound like a complete moron. Sorry to hear your leaving but good luck in your search for your buddy Hooch.

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Christopher and Furnishedowner,

I find it very interesting how you two constantly attack Hoosier with various denigrations mostly aimed at his age… He gives you it back, which you would expect, but then again, he’s 18… you two are how old??? :rolleyes

Something to consider, your demeaning talk to an 18 year old, calling him names, instead of addressing his points, magnifies your inner child’s character - leftover issues… I wonder how you would advise your own kids to deal with it… I would certainly think that you would advise them that you don’t have to demean someone to make your point…

When the name calling starts, the weaker argument presents and projects itself… I mean think about it… you are letting an 18 year old get to you to the point where you feel you have to insult him in a way you would probably not advise your own kids to do…

Hoosier,

Harvard for a nurse is overkill… nursing is one of those careers where years on the job, attitude and competency has a more defining role in your pay, so don’t let simple words define you or make you feel attending ANY college for nursing is a bad thing… shoot for the best grades you can get… constantly challenge yourself, and the fact that you are working to better yourself FOR yourself without relying on someone else to do it for you, speaks much more to your character than blogging…

My wife has been a nurse for over 20 years, and she has advanced EVERYWHERE she has worked… she is a go-to person because she is professional, courteous, knowledgeable and willing to do things others aren’t… She gets recognized routinely from patients, co-workers and management… Now, NONE of these people know what grades she got in college (although she did graduate Magna-Cum-Laude after being an average student in high school)… She has to deal with people who only do what they have to to get by, and these are the people who give her the most grief… her doing her best only reminds them that they are not…

As we tell our kids… ALWAYS DO YOUR BEST… YOU are the one who ultimate benefits… keep moving forward, even if you fall down now and then… :beer

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Positive,

If Hoosier wants to talk like an adult then he will be treated like an adult. His words are what make him sound unintelligent not what Furnished and I say to him. I call a spade a spade and that is how it is. We are supposed to give him a pass because he is younger than we are? None of my children would ever open their mouth and say some of the ridiculous comments that he has posted here and they are much younger than Hoosier AND much smarter.

He reminds me of that kid in 4th grade that used to cuss up a storm when the grown-ups were not around so that all the other kids would think he was cool. Its a shame that no one ever told him that kid usually ended up in juvi. Talking about spitting on the president and being verbally abusive to people passing out information on health care reform. I would be livid if ANY of my children ever acted like that.

Whats that saying about “its better to keep your mouth shut and be thought an idiot than to open your mouth and prove it”…

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Christopher,

“If Hoosier wants to talk like an adult then he will be treated like an adult. His words are what make him sound unintelligent not what Furnished and I say to him.”

Re-read what you wrote… how is demeaning Hoosier talking like an adult… no matter the subject?.. To make the point even more, would you be proud or embarrassed for your kids to read what you are writing regarding a young man decades your junior? When we look at our actions through the eyes of our kids, it more often than not crystallizes the right thing to do…

“Talking about spitting on the president and being verbally abusive to people passing out information on health care reform. I would be livid if ANY of my children ever acted like that.”

Christopher, you are being verbally abusive to him now talking about the opposing view of healthcare, and your insults have nothing to do with his points… you don’t see that? That’s my point… he’s 18… you’re how old?

“He reminds me of that kid in 4th grade that used to cuss up a storm when the grown-ups were not around so that all the other kids would think he was cool. Its a shame that no one ever told him that kid usually ended up in juvi”

He’s not going to juvi, but showing initiative and going to college… him having an opinion is just like you having an opinion… just because YOU disagree with it, doesn’t make YOU right… that’s left up to the reader… so this makes no sense…


"Whats that saying about “its better to keep your mouth shut and be thought an idiot than to open your mouth and prove it”…

Actually, the quote is - “Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.”
Abraham Lincoln

And… I agree…

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Positive

If you agree then perhaps your time would be better spent lecturing Hoosier on keeping his mouth shut and not sounding like a complete moron. Although you seem to struggle with that a bit yourself… Here are a couple of oldie but goodies from your greatest hits collection.

“We invaded Iraq to protect this country”
“Reagan ended the cold war”

and my personal favorite

“I will get double digit returns”

Seriously man you lecturing me on anything is ludicrous. Well maybe you could advise me on how to buy poorly, underestimate, and how to drag a project out much longer than expected. If I ever need advice on those subjects u will be the first person I call.