Why not abolish the 1st and 2nd amendments?
I hate to throw more fuel on this fire, but here goes, the infamous ObamaStash:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19v5Kjmc8FI
I’m sure some of you have heard these clips already. your tax dollars at work, enjoy!
Ahhh…
Because they resemble something a free society would have, where the 16th, 17th, and the federal reserve resemble more of something an authoritarian government would have.
Surely you know that.
I am just messing with you. So do you have a tax problem?
Yes. I have a problem paying the personal federal income tax specifically.
Yes. I have a problem paying the personal federal income tax specifically.
You can always renounce your citizenship and move somewhere else.
I have no problem paying a fair amount of taxes for necessary gov’t services. I have a problem with paying to finance the lives of deadbeats and scammers or paying for stupid pet projects of out-of-touch politicians, etc.
John just wants us to follow the Constitution. The Constitution doesnt call for a Federal Income Tax, its actually UnConstitutional, but those weasles have found their way to get it in there anyway.
Im with John, I DO have a problem paying a Fed Income Tax, actually a BIG ONE.
And your calling other people “moron”.
Did you pay $100,000 in taxes last year…if you didn’t then you don’t have a tax problem my friend you have an income problem.
I am an American. The government provides infrastructure that allows the country that we love to grow and thrive. It provides protection in military so that we don’t suddenly become Chinese as well as our financial system controls (SEC) and even safe food and medicines (FDA). The government provides the interstate highway system so that you can move freely from town to town. The government provides police services so that thugs don’t walk into your house and take the things that you worked hard for. If you have no controls then you end up with the strong and wicked taking advantage of the weak and we end up in anarchy.
It takes money to provide us with these protections. The government gets their money from taxes. If you like this country then you like taxes…you just don’t know it. If we get rid of taxes we will look just like Afghanistan where each little area has a mullah that controls its own little area.
NOBODY here is calling for “NO TAXES”… a few of us (John, Me, Bama, Positive,Mike) are calling for CONSTITUTIONAL TAXES. There is a difference.
The Consitution allows the Federal Gov to raise/fund the military. Sorry bro… try again.
As far as “police services”, keep that on the STATE LEVEL. Try again.
Bluemoon,
You make some very good points. Its very interesting how people like Hoosier who really contribute nothing to this country can sit here and complain about the good things that the government has done with tax money.
Hoosier,
What is your answer to the FDA? The Highway system? Pell grants? National Parks? Etc…
You are so uneducated it is ridiculous. As I have said before your parents must be so disappointed in what a mindless drone you have become.
Abolish the FDA.
The Constitution does say that the federal government can take care of what are called the post roads, those on which the mail travels, but outside of that, states are responsible for their own highways, their own roads, their own county, local, state roads.
Stop Pell Grants. If States want to do loans for low-income people, thats pefectly fine. On the Federal Level? NO THANKS.
Im a mindless drone? Dude… seriously? With all the Obama idiots around, who are on there hands and knees for him, your calling ME a mindless drone? Thats funny.
That is a good idea. By the way I don’t want you to get sick this cold and flu season. You should eat a pound of hay every day. It will keep you healthy. Really I will sell you some.
Im not the only one who feels the FDA should be abolished. Before picturing me out as a loony, just google “Abolish the FDA”. Many people feel as I do. BTW, Im not very smart and couldnt find the FDA in the Consitution, can you show me where it is in there?
He could ride his horse and buggy to your farm to get it. On the post roads where the mail is delivered.
Yes Hoosier you are a mind less drone. You don’t have an original thought in your head. It cracks me up how stupid some of the things you say are.
What is next… Abolish the CDC because each state can have their department of disease control. Or wait abolish the FBI because in 1776 they did not forsee the need for a federal investigative agency. While we are at it lets get rid of the VA as well because who cares what happens to the men and women that have defended this country. If Thomas Jefferson did not think it was important than is it? Is it really important if Thomas Jefferson did not think of it?
Do you see how stupid you sound when you say things like that?
BTW, Im not very smart
Finally you say something that makes sense.
I believe this is the part where they talk about Congress having the right to collect taxes.
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
Here is another part that you may have missed when it was your turn to hit the pipe.
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
Can you explain to me what that means? Probably not.
In McCulloch vs Maryland, Chief Justice Marshall notes that the Constitution is not a statute, and suggests that it should be read more liberally and flexibly than a statute so that it might serve the ages.
Do you get it now?
Christopher,
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The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; "
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Your attempt to apply the general welfare section to everything that is going on is in DIRECT CONTRAST to the Founding Fathers, the AUTHOR of the Constitution and the first Presidents to preside over said Constitution…
“If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the General Welfare, the Government is no longer a limited one, possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one…”
– James Madison
“I can find no warrant for such an appropriation in the Constitution, and I do not believe that the power and duty of the General Government ought to be extended to the relief of individual suffering which is in no manner properly related to the public service or benefit.”
– President Grover Cleveland vetoing a bill for charity relief (18 Congressional Record 1875 [1877]
“I cannot find any authority in the Constitution for public charity. [To approve the measure] would be contrary to the letter and spirit of the Constitution and subversive to the whole theory upon which the Union of these States is founded.”
– President Franklin Pierce’s 1854 veto of a measure to help the mentally ill.
“Congress has NOT unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated.”
–Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Albert Gallatin, 1817
“Those who would give up essential Liberty to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”
– Ben Franklin
“The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite.”
– James Madison, Federal No. 45, January 26, 1788
“A wise and frugal government … shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government.”
– Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address, March 4, 1801
“The greatest [calamity] which could befall [us would be] submission to a government of unlimited powers.”
– Thomas Jefferson
“[T]he powers of the federal government are enumerated; it can only operate in certain cases; it has legislative powers on defined and limited objects, beyond which it cannot extend its jurisdiction.”
– James Madison
" The government of the United States is a definite government, confined to specified objects. It is not like state governments, whose powers are more general. Charity is NO PART of the legislative duty of the government."
– James Madison, speech in the House of Representatives, January 10, 1794
Your attempt falls completely flat… this is one of the reasons why our Oath of Citizenship (and others) says - “that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same”
So how did we get here… very simple… It is BECAUSE not enough people are remaining true to the founding of the country… It’s call gradualism…
“There are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations.”
– James Madison
Christopher, I would respectfully suggest that Hoosier is more in alignment with the Founding Fathers that you and Furnishedowner… There are plenty of socialists states you can live in… why should those desiring freedom and LIMITED government have to move???
http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxfreedomday/
Forget all the stupid bickering about personal stupidity and abolishing the FDA, because a much larger, and rather fascinating point has been raised regarding taxes and government services.
For 2009, Tax Freedom Day arrived on April 13th, meaning the average American worked from January 1st until April 13th JUST to pay the aggregate taxes owed to the government, including state, federal and local. Roughly a third of your income went to support the government! Sounds a bit ridiculous, right!?
It does until you consider the massive size and scope of our current governmental system, and all the services it provides, including the ones that have already been mentioned in this thread. DOT, DPW, DOJ, we could list a thousand govt acronyms if we wanted… but when you put it in perspective, 33% of our income in taxes actually doesn’t sound that ridiculous when you relate it to the size of our government. Am I saying that its right, NO, but I’m just trying to put things in perspective and reopen the debate regarding taxation…
and if the government were shrunk and reduced, could the free market fill the void for all the services currently provided by the govt??