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Random Ramblings
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10 Conditions For Transition To Communism

  1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

  2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

  3. Abolition of all right of inheritance. ( Death Tax )

  4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

  5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.

  6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.

  7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

  8. Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture. (Union Labor)

  9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equal distribution of the population over the country.

10.Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production. ( This last one at first look appears harmless enough, particularly about child labor. However it aims chiefly to teach our children to be good obedient employees. Go to college and you can be a better paid employee. I am constantly having to counteract the crap my kids’ teachers put in their heads.)

According to the Communist Manifesto, all these were prior conditions for a transition from capitalism to communism.

Anybody that wants to argue I am a nut job claiming that this great country of ours is heading towards Socialism care to explain the above list. Some of these things started decades ago.

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Your just upset the Republicans lost… quit your complaining, Obama knows what hes doing! :anon

lol…

Seriously though… Ide like to see some Liberals explain this list.

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I believe the best demonsration of this was the graph that glenn beck did showing the shift toward socialism/communism for the last 200yrs by all parties involved.The only difference was one brings you there in a wagon the other a jet,but either way heading that direction should be the concern to us.Career politicians was never supposed to happen under the founding principles of our great govt system that has been the envy of the world.So no I don’t think this is “nuts”.Only a true fool would think that alot of nations want us to fall,envy has its price…The longer we ignore this ,the closer the same breed of fools who have been leading us in this direction will continue until you won’t even notice the transition.There was a meeting I think in the 1940"s where a russian leader joked w/ the sec of agriculture he said"you americans,we won’t force communism on you,your govt will give you small doses of socialism until one day you’ll be a communist govt and you would’nt have even noticed".I wish I knew exactly what year this was,I’ve read it &beck,rush,fox news played the recording.I hope we’re really wrong about this,but I’m afraid that the writting seems to be getting more clear on the wall.

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I know the quote you are referring to. I have been trying to find it online for a bout a month now.

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We’re batting .500! Not bad, right?! Oh shoot, this isn’t baseball…yeah were in trouble.

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  1. Confiscation of firearms from the public.

Mike

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I believe when the idea for the “Random Ramblings” forum came about it was because people were confused about which forum to discuss other forms of investment besides real estate. Instead it has turned into a place where every conspiracy theorist and nut job can come out of the woodwork and express their thoughts about the downfall of the United States. Seriously people get a grip.

Property manager does make a good point. Although I am not a fan of guns, nor do I own a firearm I do believe in the right to bear arms (other than assault rifles).

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Uhhm no. These arent crazy theories or nut job predictions, but very realistic. You sound like a Liberal dude, talking about those Right-Wing Extreamists.

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Nope just explaining what the purpose of this new forum was intended for and how it has been twisted into conspiracy theorists and zealots wanting to argue.

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Chris,

Have you not considered that perhaps because those who control the media, propoganda and government have worked to push the country so far left that everyone on the right(who have basically held the same positions for years) are considered extreme now? Even though at one time they were considered mainstream? You can say what you want about Rush, but honestly, if you have been listening to him since he began 20-21 years agos, he has the same exact principles now that he had way back then. You can disagree with him but he has NOT evolved into more of a wingnut or moved further right. Rush has been on the radio for over two decades but only in the last two years have people come out of the woodwork really attacking him, labeling him the party leader, wingnut, extremist, whatever you want to label him. You can’t call him inconsistent. He has the same views now as he did back when he started. It just now seems extreme because the media is framing him in this way. I hate big government. Why is that so horrible? I was not and am not a proponent of war, especially the war in Iraq. I was not a fan of W. especially during his second term. He lost me completely after botching up the response to Katrina. But man the direction we are moving isn’t the answer. I hear and do agree with some of what you are saying but at some point you have to take off the rose colored glasses and see this direction being taken is not going to end well for the majority of us everyday Americans.

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Brockovitch,

All I am saying is this forum was originally meant to discuss ALTERNATIVE investments like the stock market or in FDJakes case vintage guitars, but instead of that what has it turned into? Predictions of the end of the world as we know it, people pushing their pro-life agenda down people’s throats, etc… I also do not agree with much of what is transpiring in the government right now. I have no problem stating that I voted republican in the last election, but just because I don’t like the way things look right now does not have me selling my home and moving to the mountains of Montanna. I volunteer in my community, instead of sitting around complaining I try to make the world a better place. For example, my wife and I are unhappy with the direction that our school board is heading because they refuse to add more high schools as they want to stay in the highest sports division. She is planning on running for the school board in the next election. My point is we are all in this together and if you don’t like the way something is going; go out and see what you can do to change it. Don’t just sit around and complain about it and put a bumper sticker on yourt car that says “don’t blame me I did not vote for him”.

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Christopher,
I got the same bumper sticker&I’m involved in a conservative local group.We watch our local,state,fed govt.We also have speakers,some of the people running for office.Its kinda nice to see what some people’s views are and them tell you what they represent to your face.I agree with you 100% on getting involved.BUT,why are we made out to be just racists,or radicals when we want to protest whats going on?Is’nt that being involved?To me the true definition of "radical"is when you do what you want and don’t care who likes it or not.Oh wait,that’s what the liberals are doing !Oh and I own an arsenal of guns,you should get some they’re great to have(plus its a basic right,for now anyway).

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To a certain extent, I feel like my voice has been lost in the debate. I don’t see anyone in government representing or working on behalf of even half my principles. Maybe Ron Paul, but then again he is labeled by many as EXTREME. I sit on the board of directors of Habitat for humanity, the city energy board, attend and comment at city commission meetings, am very involved in the schols, invest in the city in which I live. I am far from what I would consider extreme. But I turn on the news and see Janeane Garofalo given a microphone to tell me I must be extreme for holding many of the same views as the tea baggers??? And she doesn’t get challenged on that??? Don’t get me wrong, it goes both ways so I am not intentiinally leaving out those on the right who are just as bad. I am using her as an example of a mouthpiece that the media uses to push political agendas. I love this country, I just don’t like the direction we have been moving in for 4-5 years. Maybe I am just paying more attention as I get older, but I can honestly say I DO NOT like what is going on right now.

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I must have missed the Janeane Garafolo thing but I am wrapping up flag football season for two of my children and right in the middle of baseball season for two others so I don’t get to watch much TV these days. Does anyone have a link to it?

Bama,

Although I enjoy going to the shooting range with friends that own guns; it just scares me too much to have three young children in the house with a gun. Even with a gun safe I would worry to much. I keep a baseball bat under the bed (although I don’t know how much good that will do me in a home invasion, or heaven forbid this country does go to hell in a handbasket).

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I believe the quote you are refering to by garafolo"these are a bunch of racists that hate a black president".Funny thing was I went to a tea party and seen blacks,women,old,young.These labels are really used as last resort when they just have no idea how people can unite under a common umbrella.They’re used to only one topic protests.The ones we all sat back and let them have about anything,now that we’ve had enough “we’re radicals,racists,”??I’m so proud of this uprising,so many have been too silent for too long.Good job,liberals are in shock they’re not used to hearing from us.

Christopher,
My wife does’nt care for my collection of guns for that same reason.I keep them hiden up high.I’ve taught my daughter to never touch guns and never point anything @someone else toy guns,slingshot,anything.I hope I’ve instilled in her a respect for hurting others or herself.In due time I’ll show her how to use guns properly.I do respect your position,if things get really bad I’ll draw a map to the house for ya,believe me you’ll be fine with all the militia around me.

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Christopher,

I thought that the Random Ramblings was to discuss “Random” topics - in other words anything that is not specifically listed in the other forums. I have not heard any wild conspiracy theories on this forum. This country is moving toward socialism - that’s a fact. When the cover page of Newsweek proclaims “We’re All Socialists Now”, then you know this isn’t a conspiracy theory. Furthermore, countries rise and countries fall. It’s happened over and over throughout history. Remember the old Soviet Union? So, a discussion of the downfall of the United States due to our wreckless spending and move toward socialism certainly isn’t out of touch with reality. The Soviet Union tried socialism and it didn’t work. What makes you think socialism in the United States will work?

Finally, may I point out that if anyone doesn’t want to read something in Random Ramblings - nothing is forcing them to do so! Instead of being offended or complaining about the topic, a person can simply choose not to read it.

Mike

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“may I point out that if anyone doesn’t want to read something in Random Ramblings - nothing is forcing them to do so! Instead of being offended or complaining about the topic, a person can simply choose not to read it.”

Well said… to put another point on it… that also means that you don’t need to actually post on it either…

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Us silly Mormons know all these things!! :silly This quote was from Ezra Taft Benson, Prophet of the LDS Church, who was also U.S. Secretary of Agriculture from 21 January 1953 - 20 January 1961, during Dwight D. Eisenhower. The exact quote comes from a devotional talk by Ezra Taft Benson at Brigham Young University in October 25, 1966. It is entitled “Our Immediate Responsibility”. An exert from that talk:

I have talked face-to-face with the godless Communist leaders. It may surprise you to learn that I was host to Mr. Khrushchev for a half day, when he visited the United States. Not that I’m proud of it – I opposed his coming then and I still feel it was a mistake to welcome this atheistic murderer as a state visitor. But according to President Eisenhower, Khrushchev had expressed a desire to learn something of American agriculture, and after seeing Russian agriculture I can understand why.

As we talked face-to-face, he indicated that my grandchildren would live under Communism. After assuring him that I expected to do all in my power to assure that his, and all other grandchildren, would live under freedom, he arrogantly declared, in substance:

You Americans are so gullible. No you won’t accept Communism outright, but we’ll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you’ll finally wake up and you find you already have Communism. We won’t have to fight you. We’ll so weaken your economy until you fall like over-ripe fruit into our hands.

And they are ahead of schedule in their devilish scheme.

You can hear the audio here.
You can hear the entire talk here. (Scroll down to the Our Immediate Responsibility - the whole thing’s 44 minutes long, and, boy, do they really rip on Communists! :director The “gullible American’s” part is at about 37 minutes.)

Now, there is some “discrepancy” with this. Ezra Benson gave this talk in October 1966. Back then, recording techniques weren’t all that mobile; there were no handheld voice recorders. Thus, what Ezra says that Khrushchev said, isn’t recorded… anywhere. Neither in audio nor in print. Granted, would Khrushchev have actually let it be recorded? Anyways, the best I could muster up was that Khrushchev may have never actually said it. The book “They never said it” By Paul F. Boller, John H. George, states that the “overripe fruit” fake quotation had been floating around since 1954. They state “Benson may have heard what he wanted to hear. pg. 60”. The book “The Yale book of quotations” By Fred R. Shapiro, Joseph Epstein, claims it to be attributed to the Washington Post, 5 Sept. 1951. They continue to say “Long a popular quotation in anti-Communist circles, but diligent efforts by the Library of Congress and other researchers have failed to unearth anything by Lenin resembling it. The saying is undoubtedly fallacious”.
Now, go back and listen to those audios again. Note that Ezra Benson says that Khrushchev “declared, in substance”. Interesting… Anyways, enjoy my research efforts! Take it for what you will.

Dean

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dr. white,
Thanks much for the research.Who knows about the conspiracy around it,especially dealing with communists.But either way I believe it to be a pretty accurate judgement of the direction our govt is going.Thanks again.Us conservatives who used to not speak are getting a whirlwind of stuff we’re having to try to keep up with at breakneck speed,so forgive me for being off on the year.Take care& I really respect mormons, just not MORONS.

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I thought Ramdom Ramblings was supposed to be a free for all…

Maybe create a new forum called “Alternative Investments” and transfer all the posts from here that have to do with that, and rename RR “Politcal Forum”