Yes, I'm finally scared, how about you?

General Real Estate Investing
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One thing you can guarantee about this country: we’ve got a great grapevine.

If a thing really works, and is genuinely superior, the word goes out on the grapevine and that product becomes a success.

If this water fuel thing really works well, eventually everyone will have a cousin or a close friend telling them that “hey, this thing really works”, and it will be installed on cars all over the country.

There is also a lot of sales bull pucky and lots of get rich quick scams that we all hear about.

I’m going to reserve judgement. If this thing really works, my mechanic will soon be suggesting that I install one on my car. (no, he doesn’t get paid, so he isn’t looking to make more work for himself, and he isn’t going to install something that will damage my car and give him an unneccessary repair job.)

If it doesn’t work, that information will be floating around the web soon enough.

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tatertot,

One of the areas that I look at that talks about the HHO system is on Yahoo Groups, signed up for the Water Cars group. Quite a bit of information about various systems on there.

John $Cash$ Locke

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The One Million Dollar HHO Challenge

“Demonstrate a fuel-savings of more than 25% with your HHO system and win a million dollars!”

http://aardvark.co.nz/hho_challenge.shtml

this hho stuff should get interesting ;]

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I keep reading how this system is not suppose to work. So here is my problem, I installed a HHO system on my 97 Chevy Pick UP.

Here is how I tested mileage.

Without the system working I checked the mileage 5 times and each and every time it was close to 18 MPG. I filled up at a BP gas station close the the route I was going to drive for the test. I let the pump shut off automatically and gassed up on the slowest notch on the pump handle. Drove with the speed control on at 55 MPH for 33 miles.

Turned the system on did every thing as close as possible to the test without it being on and was averaging around 27 MPG. Then I read something from some Professor of Higher Learning that says it might increase your gas mileage 4%. If you think it is frustrating to set and read all the con’s then I go out and look at my pick up truck and think why is this happening, it is not suppose to work.

I uploaded on my site www.fuelproxy.com a video I made today showing the install on my pick up, so everyone could see, yes he has some kind of device in the engine compartment and I assure you it is a HHO device. This is all I put up at this time until I find the below information.

What is worse is I am trying to find a good Video to Flash software program and have been testing those all day. So the video that is up there is watermarked with the current software program I am trying. So far all have loaded slowly, so if any knows of a good program let me know.

John $Cash$ Locke

Just found this info, so you see that someone passed tests using HHO http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Rb_rDkwGnU

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Man, this topic wandered everywhere. Very interesting bunch of people writing here.

No one got what I was scared about. I left lots of clues. But you’re all millions of miles off base. I’m going to go there another time. My fear appears to be a regional one. But it’s a damned big elephant, I can tell you.

You are all weighing in from all over with real economic fears. And I think those fears are valid. I am listening and cutting off some marginal leased houses, discounting some rent, slowing down on rehab. Keep the cash. Tighten things up.

Also, I checked with my resident guru pH.d mechanical engineer about the HHO deal. He said, "Bull! However, it might push mileage because the water vapor blah, blah, blah…
Then he referred me to “wikipedia: water-fuelled car”. So there you have it.

Furnishedowner

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Furnishdowner, The reason the replies were a million mile away from what you were talking about, is because you never specified what you wanted discussed. Don’t call it an elephant or anything else. Whatever it is you want us to comment on, TELL US WHAT IT IS :banghead :biggrin

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John,

Have you retested w/out the HHO system on? I read through some forums, it one poster says they saw an increase in mileage, then retested w/out HHO and noticed they saw the same increase in mileage. Their conclusion was that maybe it “cleared” some gunk out.

I’m intrigued by this subject. At the current moment I have not leaned more towards one direction (a scam or technology surpressed by the government)

I may try this myself :wink:
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looks like this thread was hijacked. sorry to the OP. i guess it would be best to say what you’re scared of :biggrin

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GO WIN THE MILLION $$$$$ IF IT WORKS

http://aardvark.co.nz/hho_challenge.shtml

thats another thing why would the government suppress this technology ?? The Government needs this technology !!!

Furnished owner are you in an area where the local RE market appreciate at the 2x - 3x rate over the last 3-5 years ??

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ryanpal,

Yes, I tested on 5 different occasions with and without the unit turned on. My previous unit was tested the same way and gave me the same mileage and I thought increase the size of the coils using 316L stainless steel wiring and putting them closer together would increase the amount of HHO, it did not. Everything remained the same as far as mileage goes. 18 MPG without it turned on, 27 MPG with it turned on.

This thread started out talking about FEAR and the Big Elephant, what is the Big Elephant to some is not to others. From my talking with people Gas prices come up the majority of the time. Stocks and bonds have been discussed at length, what stocks to buy etc.

How many investors cannot sell a property, because of buyers concerned about how they are going to get the money to drive to work let alone purchase a property. If we can just start tackling anyone of today’s problems, however small it may be instead of beefing about it, try to do something about it, then we are moving forward. The thread was not hijacked, just different ideas about what the Big Elephant is.

John $Cash$ Locke

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This has been a great thread, hijacked or not. I did leave it wide open by asking about your fears.

Phlemboy: You said “TELL US WHAT IT IS. Don’t call it an elephant.”

Nobody caught what I was hinting at. Nobody had a clue. So nobody else even has this awareness. I am going way out on a limb here, and also putting who I am in a public forum. Oh well. Here goes…You heard it first from me.

Saturday, July 5th, I was invited to a VIP cocktail party/dinner at our nicest hotel with the mayor and other influential guests and speakers who attended our local July 4 summer festival. I was invited because I had created a display at the Convention Center at my cost and also had comped a free house to a major exhibitor. It was my first VIP event and I was excited. Nice cocktails and appetizers, too.

The speaker at this dinner in front of our town notables spoke about a subject I had never heard named before: DISCLOSURE.

This speaker felt that Disclosure would come possibly by Spring, 2009, and most likely by Pres. Obama.

What the heck is disclosure, you say?!

Disclosure is the admission by our government that extra-terrestrial craft do exist and that the government is aware and that it is being researched.

Disclosure is the admittance that there was a recovery by the United States government in July, 1947 of a flying saucer and its crew in Roswell, New Mexico.

Disclosure is the speaker telling us Roswellians that cars and RV’s will be lined up for hundreds of miles trying to get into our fair city.

I will have more to tell you later. Look at the elephant.

Furnishedowner

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THAT’S YOUR BIG ELEPHANT!?

That there may be ET life and we (ie, the government knows about it)?

No offense, but let’s explore that for a minute.

First, any rational human being, whether religious minded or not, if they truly think for a moment cannot possibly believe that out of literally millions of planets in the universe that only one, our great little Earth, developed intelligent life. Again, divine intervention or not, common sense says that the chances of “other world” life is greater than the chances of single world life.

Second, any rational human being, if they can independently review the current, documented and in essense, proveable evidence concerning UFO research would find that the evidence weighs far in favor of ET life than not, any and all hoaxes excluded, of course.

Having said that, you do not give any indications on where you’ve gotten your info about this so-called upcoming “Disclosure” by our beloved Gov’t. On that, all I have to say is I’ll believe it when I see it. I do not think that the Gov’t would unconditionally say that they’ve been hiding anything of the sort UNTIL a space craft lands in the center of White House lawn on July 4th in full public view.

AND if on the off chance that it DOES happen, what does it mean? To me, THE RECESSION IS OVER!

Not only would ET be able to tell us how to get much better fuel economy (if they can travel 100 million miles on a tank of fuel, I’m sure that we can get better cars!), not only will you have 100s upon 100s of people flocking to your city, BUT we will have a whole new “people” to sell our real estate to. It makes EVERY Earth City a vacation spot!!!

Disclose away! I’m ready.

Raj

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Disclosure about aliens is just about the last thing on earth to worry about (pun intended). This country has real problems that actually are a threat to our way of life: socialism; energy crisis; terrorists; the Iranian nutjobs getting nukes; etc. Whether ET exists or not is not much more than an amusement. Furthermore, our government is filled with idiots. They certainly couldn’t keep a secret like ET since 1947. They couldn’t even keep the secret that they were waterboarding a few terrorist scumbags!!! Our government is FAR too incompetent for that!

Mike

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furnishedowner,

Wish you had just came out and made your statement about Aliens in the first place. I could have calmed your fears immediately and every one else at that meeting as I have first hand knowledge of what really happened with that alien space craft.

I know why the aliens came here and even put up a web site www.poofdirt.com awhile back to tell the true story.

John $Cash$ Locke

PS: Of course I have a lot of time on my hands and just enjoy doing things either on a serious note or just having some fun as pretty much covered either way in this thread.

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If you guys haven’t noticed already, aliens have already taken over Texas.

I see them all the time, and nope I’m not halucinating.

They tend to hang out on street corners looking for day labor jobs and they frequently like pushing carts full of ice cream, for some odd reason, but in general they’re very friendly and cook damn good food!

LOL

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When I moved here about five years ago I thought the alien thing was a funny, quirky thing–bring in those tourist dollars!

Then over and over I kept hearing things from the locals who grew up here, like the convenience store clerk recently: “Alien crash, oh yeah, that happened. My great-uncle, he was out there cleaning up that stuff. They told him never to talk about it, but it’s in the news now.”

Last week the Stephensville, Texas sightings by dozens of ranchers of a mile-long silent craft was on Larry King on CNN. Ranchers are typically a non-lying, non-attention-seeking bunch. The cowboy code-of-honor exists. Those kind of eye-witnesses I can believe in.

Last week on the front page of our local paper was a picture of the “Roswell Rock” found miles out of town by a local hunter. The carved pattern is the same as a crop circle in England, 1994. It is an uncanny-looking thing. Look under Google at “Roswell Rock”.

No, the government can’t keep secrets. And this one has been coming more and more to light.

It’s fun to spoof about selling real estate to aliens, etc. but to me it is damned scary. I believe we are perhaps like squirrels, or ants. Why would they need to converse with us? Expeditions to foreign lands collect biological samples and scout for resources. The explorers don’t need to negotiate with the local squirrels, just collect a few samples.

Disclosure of older French and British UFO sighting files just took place. There may be enough information out there now that this whole thing “tips” towards exposure.

Furnishedowner

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They tend to hang out on street corners looking for day labor jobs and they frequently like pushing carts full of ice cream, for some odd reason, but in general they're very friendly and cook damn good food!

I’ve got nothing but respect for aliens that work. We’ve got hundreds of thousands of lazy deadbeats here in Ohio that I would gladly trade for the aliens.

I believe we are perhaps like squirrels, or ants. Why would they need to converse with us? Expeditions to foreign lands collect biological samples and scout for resources. The explorers don't need to negotiate with the local squirrels, just collect a few samples.

Have them give me a call. We’ve got a LOT of extra “samples” here. I’ll even make a list of names for them. Hopefully, the presence of a little crack in the bloodstream and some serious character flaws won’t make the samples unacceptable. Even if that is the case, we don’t want them returned. Of course, the aliens probably don’t want these deadbeats stinking up the galaxy either.

Mike

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Wow, this thread took a turn I did NOT see coming. If aliens exist, they don’t scare me. They had to be created for a purpose, just like we were and I personally don’t think that purpose is for us and them to kill each other. So yeah, that elephant is looking pretty tame to me, mind if I borrow him, I got some trees in my yard I need rooted out.

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Who’s spoofing? I was serious.

First, the “government can’t keep secrets” is really a joke. The government is actually damn good at keeping secrets. The “open” secrets create “cover-ups” which create “theorists” which create “crazy theorists” which create “UFOs (or insert your choice of things here) don’t exist” from the everyday people. Pretty smart, in my opinion.

Second, what is to fear or worry about the existence of “beings from another planet” or the fact that they Gov’t has been holding out on us?

A) if they exist, they have been around for at least as long as we have. They have obviously visited our planet a number of times. So either they don’t give a crap about us or they’re not interested. Either way, if it’s been happening, finally knowing about it isn’t going to suddenly change the relationship (or lack thereof) between the two species.

B) if someone this “disclosure” would create some kind of communication with aliens (which if possible the gov’ts of the world would have already started) how could that NOT be a benefit? Again, they are obviously more advanced than we, so getting a little jump from our green-blooded brethren wouldn’t be a bad thing.

I truly don’t see the downside. I, however, do believe that the movie, Independence Day, was in fact, fiction.

Raj

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I think that the world-wide governmental acknowledgement of extra-terrestrial intelligence and visitation will have a huge impact on populations.

It will be the news item of the millenium.

Why would this have been covered up in the first place? First, the astounding materials would need to be studied by our government and kept out of enemy hands. The idea would be to replicate the materials and technology for our own military.

Second, what would disclosure do to the populace? Would people run screaming into the streets? Commit suicide? Fill the churches? Form weird cults?

The weird cults thing is already happening. This place fills with borderline psychotics, outright wackos, crystal-gazers and abductee wanna-bees every July.

Furnishedowner

Suddenly the U.S. will no longer be the big Kahuna. If humankind must somehow communicate, the power will tip towards the populous countries, China and India.

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come on now are we seriously taking about aliens !!!

I dont see how this relates to real estate ?? I dont think its a big deal if the government discloses their knowledge of aliens.

I’m more shocked about this topic than of a cover-up of UFO’s. :guns :elephant