then you broke the laws of physics :shocked
you sell these on a website ??? now that makes sense.
Liquidity,
No I do not sell them, just show others what I have done and hopefully help others realize that done properly they can save money.
John $Cash$ Locke
whats the website ??
We use a mixture of Water converted to “HHO” (2 parts Hydrogen + 1 part Oxygen) and Gas in our Fuel Proxy system to improve gas mileage on any vehicle that it is installed in.
$2.00 Per Gallon
Take a test drive with us with a ScanGa Weuge2 installed into the vehicles electronic system, which will show Miles Per Gallon.
First we will drive with the Fuel Proxy System turned off, then we will turn it on and you can see with your own eyes the mileage improvement.
We know what you are thinking and we thought of that also!
sure sounds like your selling something. the things people will do for money. its sickening
Liquidity,
I noticed you did not click on the information link, so you are guessing. Had you clicked on this link you would have received a complete list of all the parts required to make a system and where to purchase them at. Like, Home Depot, Lowes, etc., sorry to disappoint you but I do not own any of the stores you can purchase the parts from.
John $Cash$ Locke
I can’t speak for Liquidity, but when I clicked on the information all I got was a mail:to e-mail link.
p1nn4cl3,
Glad to meet you. The list is not down loadable so I send an attachment to those that request the information, plus some sites to read about how the system works that I am not affiliated with.
I never have harvested emails, nor do I sell them, so rest assured this will not happen.
John $Cash$ Locke
PS: The parts list is in Excel
I thought about making my own bio-diesel. There’s a company that sells a machine you can put in your garage to make it. It’s kinda pricey and I also don’t want to screw up my engine…it’s about $6k for a new one. There is another company that advertises an additive you can add directly to filtered cooking oil that’s supposed to work fine too.
A company named Snow Performance makes a water injection kit.
A company named Gear Vendors makes overdrives you can install.
Seems like most of the things I’ve seen to increase mileage that are affordable don’t seem to do a thing. Maybe Cash’s system is different. I just ride my motorcycle every chance I get. My truck sits until I need to use it as a truck.
Here’s the problem…
RIGHT NOW…WE have GM, FORD, and EVERY OTHER car company on PLANET EARTH scrambling to increase gas mileage.
These companies employ THOUSANDS of Phd Level Engineers. What’s killing the U.S. companies is the GAS MILEAGE in their big TRUCKS and SUV’s. If the Big 3 ( or any other maker) could put a $100 Hydrogen system on a new F-250 and have it get 30mpg, IT WOULD ALREADY BE ON THESE VEHICLES FROM THE FACTORY, and that company would RULE THE AUTOMOTIVE WORLD!!
I’m not saying you aren’t getting increased mileage, I’m not saying it doesn’t work…
My guess is your engine life will be substantially shortened.
There’s a REASON new car companies aren’t offering this. The ONLY one that makes sense is they’ve researched the technology (it’s not like it’s a trade secret, the site sells PLANS for it) and they have found the system would present WARRANTY ISSUES.
I think John is doing it the smart way. Run it on an older vehicle and see how it does over the long run. My guess is the added hydrogen wil burn either too hot or too cold. Engines are specifically designed to run at a certain temperature ranges. Adding hydrogen to the air/fuel ratio will undoubtably change that range. Even if it runs cooler which you may think is beneficial, the engine could be harmed if the reduced running parameters cause carbon build up over a prolonged time. Too much heat could burn the pistons.
What you all better remember is this…you run the temp INSIDE a cylinder TOO HOT, your gonna burn a hole right through that piston. You run that temperature too cold, you will have long term drivability issues.
Remember…every single metal object in that motor has been designed by Metalurgy Engineers to operate in a specific temperature range. This is incredibly complex engineering. If you decide to try this or any other system…Do it on a car you can afford to replace!
During the last oil crisis this stuff popped up too. Any one remember the 100MPG Carburator??? How about the “Wind Tunnel” Make the air going into the intake “swirl” to improve mileage. Another $20 wonder invention. My favorite though is the MAGNETS that you put on the fuel line. The theory being the MOLECULES will line up in a certain way and increase your mileage :shocked
I was in the car business for 15 years. Believe me if someone invents a REAL way to get 30MPG out of a F-250…they won’t have to ADVERTISE IT.
My guess is after spending HOURS “TWEAKING” these systems a few things happen that the guy’s who buy them are forgetting…
First…If your spending HOURS working on a system…you’ve probably TUNED UP YOUR TRUCK, inflated the tires to spec, and changed your oil, (by the way…a simple change to synthetic oil WILL increase mileage by about 3 MPG) before you got going.
Second…You are DEFINITELY going to be driving differently than prior to the installation of this sysytem. Think about it…you spent HOURS working on it, researching , tinkering, ect. The whole point of all this TIME investment is an INCREASE in mileage. My guess is these people are changing the way they drive without even realizing it. Their watching MILEAGE like most people watch TIME… NOW they want to see HOW MUCH BETTER their mileage can get. It becomes a self fufilling phophecy.
fdjake,
As a side line I have been in the car business for around 25 years, still go to dealers auctions occasionally, Manheim, Adesa, etc. Now you probably understand my interest in running on hydrogen with older vehicles, especially the gas guzzlers.
When I tested I drove 55 MPH, with and without the system on over the same roadways when I tested.
Here are a couple of links to show who is getting in the hydrogen business.
John $Cash$ Locke
PS: As a side not I installed an enhancer that allows me to control the MAP and MAFS sensors while driving. Also put in an O2 sensor extension on both the front and back of the catalytic converter.
Well point blank all i got was an email pop up when i clicked the information tab. I Dont believe you cash. In all your replies you have dodged every important question i asked and gave vague talk of what you did.
You must be an MIT graduate to have done what you say you have.
heres the problem with what you say you’ve done. It takes more energy to seperate that water into HHO than it makes.
Your flat out lying to all of us and i am really getting sick of the :bs
this country is in an energy/ gas crisis right now and your trying to make a dollar off people who want to help do their part to lower their gas consumption. Your greed is something else.
If it really worked then call your local news crews and contact your local university to run tests to back it up. call business people and sell your invention. Get the nobel peace prize and i will surely apologize for doubting your genius and honesty otherwise cut the :bs
yeah because putting a list on the page would have been sooo much harder to do, instead you email them some offer. come on already, walk like a duck, quack like a duck, guess what your a ???
Liquidity,
I see it went over your head what I do with my system, from my last post. Here is just one link of many Television stations from all over the country that have been testing the water to hydrogen system.
You read a few posts from the con posters somewhere and decided to repeat what you read, like your Physics post, nothing about how you came up with the formula that this won’t work, just what you saw somewhere.
Never said anywhere I invented this system, just did a few of my own enhancements that were simple to do. Before you call me a liar, then install a system come back and tell me it does not work, because up until now all your are doing guessing. This is also evidenced by the web site I posted that talks about the water4gas system. Go to e-bay and search for HHO and see what comes up, I am sure if these folks selling their systems and they did not work, they would have some negative feed back.
I have been on this discussion board for about 6 years, have never had anyone post that I spammed them, answered hundreds of private messages to help posters, no one has ever posted I tried to sell them any of my products when they contacted me for help.
Now, I went back and read your posts, what is it you exactly do besides call people names and post innuendo?
John $Cash$ Locke
I never called you names. well i guess i called you a duck :eyecrazy
I just dont believe you thats all.
And yes I mentioned Physics. I’m not doubting this technology will become into use someday. I’m doubting that you’re using it now or that it is effective.
I don’t like it when someone bs’s me.
this topic isnt about a HHO system and I have made into one now. lets drop it already. my apologizes to furnishedowner and everyone else.
I’m having no financial problems here. I’m still making plenty of money. I recently sold a portion of my business and I am reinvesting that capital back into it to maximize my section 179 depreciation to grow even bigger over the next year…so I am sharing the wealth with my suppliers too. However I am using some of my money to start buying real estate. I just paid cash for my first property, and I’ll be doing it more again, again & again over the next 2 years.
You guys have to remember people like Joe Girard.
He is the worlds greatest salesman per the Guinness Book of World Records, and a hero of mine. If you read his books - you’ll find out back in the day when many of his colleagues were whining about how bad the economy was in the 1970’s, he was making more money than all of them combined. Why? He never gave up. He was a bad a** salesman. He networked, got around and he knew how to deal with people.
If you apply his same philosophies to ANY business…I don’t care if it’s selling real estate, leasing out your rental properties, selling copiers, selling Amway products, running coke & snack machine routes, selling computer training services, operating a laundromat or even doing something as different as operating a car wash…whatever…you’ll never have financial problems. Period.
You’ll still make money while the other guy is at the water cooler talking about his problems.
This is America where the streets are paved with golden opportunities.
Motivatedceo,
You always mention how great your business is.
Spill the beans man…What do you do???
I’ll PM you Fdjake.
Can I get a copy?
I have a small car dealer in ga and I have been scared since July of last year. I am happy just to pay my bills and keeping my business.