Then Gates should have been arrested. I dont see how anybody could see otherwise. He needed to provide the ID. If he had provided the ID, and the cops arrested him after that, it would have been a VERY different story, regardless of what insults he said.
The only crime committed that night from a legal standpoint (constitutionally) was the police officer entering the home without permission or a warrant.
Positive is absolutely correct on this matter. The police did not need a warrant because they had probable cause to enter the home due to the evidence of forced entry. In addition to that the police had no description of the suspects other than that they were men. So no racial profiling was exhibited. I am absolutely shocked that there are people out the defending Gates.
I think there will be a NEW neighborhood watch. The next time someone breaks into Gates’s home, they neighbors will WATCH! :biggrin :biggrin :biglaugh :biglaugh :biglaugh
Christopher,
We’ve agreed more than once.ALso they both disappointed the area they were from,should’nt they have chosen Sam Adams beer?Anyone notice the proffessor picked red stripe,yall do remember the commercials were they made fun of white people dancing,right??Lol
I thought I read that Crowley had Red Stripe and Gates had Blue Ribbon???
Positive outlook, you are one hard headed person.
I haven’t answered you about the ID question because race is irrelevant to my point. My point is gates rights were violated. Yeah you might not like him like me, but if they can get away with violating his rights this publicly, they sure as heck will get away with yours too. Are you that naive to not see this!!
All of your points you made, are irrelevant due to the fact the police officers were LEAVING the scene when they changed their mind and arrested him. This was a pride/ego thing for the cop. Did YOU read the police report??? HE WAS LEAVING. The investigation was over. DONE. They were leaving before they arrested him, do you think they would be leaving if they had any doubts??
Man o man…I got better things to do than argue with a stranger on an internet forum.
John,
I see your point.They both in that sense were wrong.But actually arresting gates is what he wanted anyway,I’m sure he is glowing inside with pride over how all this panned out.Sad,how this along with a racist president has set this country back years.When a person came come from any country and possibly be a millionaire in no time,racial BS is for people with a grudge or just don’t want to do a damn thing,like work for what you get!
“Positive outlook, you are one hard headed person.”
John, do me a favor… dispute the facts as I’ve presented them… I took them from police reports and the reporting…
“I haven’t answered you about the ID question because race is irrelevant to my point.”
My point was that GATES caused the issue throughout and he was responsible for his own arrest… He was warned TWICE before the cuffs were placed on him… How many times should he be warned???
You haven’t answered it BECAUSE there is no rational answer to - “how does asking for ID make you a racist?” - Gates tried to intimidate a white police officer through pulling the race card and when that didn’t work, he tried to intimidate him through social position - “you don’t know who you are messing with” & “haven’t heard the last of this”… and calling and asking for the Chief of Police…
“My point is gates rights were violated.”
State specifically which rights were violated in your opinion…
“Yeah you might not like him like me”
I don’t even know Gates, how can I not like him… I don’t like how he acted, or how him being a racist and not being called on it is unfair to others, disparaging those who were there to protect his home and property…
“but if they can get away with violating his rights this publicly, they sure as heck will get away with yours too. Are you that naive to not see this!!”
I don’t make it a habit of being rude to police… it NEVER helps the situation, and I am cogniscent of the fact that every night when then leave their family they might not return… a little respect is not such a hard thing in return…
“All of your points you made, are irrelevant due to the fact the police officers were LEAVING the scene when they changed their mind and arrested him.”
Really, where did you glean this bit of information from… please cite the source, as it sure wasn’t the police report or news accounts I’ve read… They WERE leaving until GATES took it outside and again REFUSED to listen to the warnings that he was becoming disorderly… The police didn’t just all of the sudden say - “hey, let’s arrest this guy because he’s being disrespectful to us”… It was AFTER two warnings to stop what he was doing out in public when a small group started to gather…
“This was a pride/ego thing for the cop.”
Then you are going to have to say it was a pride/ego thing for the rest of the multi-racial cops that were there who supported Gates’ arrest 100%… Show me where it was reported that people ON THE SCENE, whether civilian or police, said that this was a pride/ego thing and NOT just your assumption…
“Did YOU read the police report??? HE WAS LEAVING.”
Yes, I did… I was the one who POSTED it… Crowley WAS leaving and told Gates if he had any further questions to contact them, but GATES then took it out in public…
“The investigation was over. DONE. They were leaving before they arrested him, do you think they would be leaving if they had any doubts??”
They did not have a reason to arrest him UNTIL he refused to comply with the police warning’s on being disorderly…[i][b]
“Man o man…I got better things to do than argue with a stranger on an internet forum.”[/b][/i]
And yet, here you are, doing exactly that… :rolleyes
Wow Bama, im disapointed in you… I usually agree with you… but Sam Adams?!? :eek… Tisk tisk… gross.
Heineken any day of the week. :beer
If you were of legal drinking age of course Hoosier… 
Mmmphff… good point… :cool
I chose Sam Adams because it is brewed in the area where this went down and would’ve been a good plug of support for where they live.Atleast the cop picked an american company,proffessor’s is jamaican,and budweiser is owned by inbev a german based company…I used to drink heineken til I found out it has fermeldihyde in it(found this out at Mcguire’s CHRISTOPHER,which has some of the best in house brewed beer ever). :beer
Just as I said. they were both stupid
Bluemoon06, since John can’t seem to answer it… how does asking for ID make you a racist? Also, specifcally, which of Gates rights were violated?
Gates was arrested for disorderly behavior. He showed the officer his ID and the officer was leaving. But (stupid Gates #1) he kept nagging about how the cop was racist which is legal in your own house. The officer asked Gates to step out on the porch. Gates stepped out as he was asked but kept up the tirade (Gates stupid #2 and #3 and officer stupid #1). Gates was then disorderly in public. The officer arrested him for that (stupid officer #2).
I think we all agree on Gates stupid, but the officer stupid is because if an officer shows up at a person’s house looking for a break in and finds that it is not a break in and it is the person’s house he is stupid for arresting that person unless there is a crime committed.
Disorderly conduct is not a crime. It is only on the books to allow the cops to arrest people. When you go into a prison you will find murders, robbers and even tax evaders, but you will not find disorderly conducters. Why because it is not a real crime. It allows the cops to take a person to jail in order to diffuse a situation. That charge is always dismissed.
“Gates was arrested for disorderly behavior. He showed the officer his ID and the officer was leaving. But (stupid Gates #1) he kept nagging about how the cop was racist which is legal in your own house. The officer asked Gates to step out on the porch. Gates stepped out as he was asked but kept up the tirade (Gates stupid #2 and #3 and officer stupid #1). Gates was then disorderly in public. The officer arrested him for that (stupid officer #2).”
First off Bluemoon06, thanks for attempting to answer that which John didn’t want to try… however, your series of events above, as you’ve laid it out, are not correct… It doesn’t match the police report nor any published account from what I’ve read…
Try re-reading the police report(s), which BTW, have not been contradicted by ANY of the witnesses, civilian or police… then try and make your case… as it stands now, it is incorrect…
“Disorderly conduct is not a crime.”
Actually, it is… and Gates actions fit it… If you want to CHANGE it from being a crime, campagin against it, but it is indeed a LAW ALL across the land…
"When you go into a prison you will find murders, robbers and even tax evaders, but you will not find disorderly conducters. "
That is because they are usually held in lock-up locally until bond is posted or the the charges are dropped… They don’t usually make it to prison… But not going to prison does NOT mean you haven’t committed a crime… First time offenders for LOTS of CRIMES don’t end up in prison…
“It allows the cops to take a person to jail in order to diffuse a situation.”
Yes… and that is what happened in this case and how it is used in it’s definition… and??
“That charge is always dismissed”
Actually, disorderly conduct is NOT ALWAYS dismissed… do a simple search…
Positive outlook, I got proof right now this cop is out of control.
http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/cam
bridge_cop_accidentally?utm_source=a-section
Now repeat after me,
Check…Mate…
John, there is nothing attached to the link.
Check and mate??? LOL… :rolleyes
MDhaas… apparently, when John attempted to copy and paste the link, he didn’t catch that the link was not properly pasted… let me help you out John… MDhaas, here is the link as it was supposed to be copied…
http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/cambridge_cop_accidentally?utm_source=a-section
Check and mate… LOL
Now, repeat after me… copy and paste… :dance
This is the definition of Disorderly Conduct.
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/165739/disorderly-conduct
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disorderly_conduct
http://www.criminal-law-lawyer-source.com/terms/disorderly-conduct.html
Basically it is a catch-all law put on the books to give police a tool to control a situation when in his opinion the person needs to be placed under arrest to cool off. It generally does not apply to a person in their home which is why Gates was invited outside into the public. I didn’t say it was not against the law, I said it was not a crime. There are lots of laws that control things that are not crimes. It is not a crime to safely run a red light, it is against the law.