So, I'm taking a sick day...

Well, it’s more like a mental health day. I blame all of you and your creative approach to investing haha… after reading some stuff on here last night, I was so pumped that I couldn’t go to sleep until 4am!! not very good when you have to be up at 6. So I’m “sick” today.

I need to move soon, and I dont want to tie up very much capital in buying a house, but renting just seems like a waste of money bc you’re not building any equity… so I’ve been wanting to do a L/O for a while, just so that I could be “renting” a place, but still be establishing some effective equity.

Since I have they day off, I think I’m going to concentrate on finishing my Legal Aspects of Real Estate book (so dense), and see if I can find a few good leads for L/Os. I’ve casually browsed craigslist, but it seems like it’s become a venue for ads and other :bs. Any tips? I have access to the MLS so I figured pulling some expired listings, or listings that have been on the market for a while, would be a good start… what do you think?

If I were in your shoes, I would make the neighborhood(s) I both wanted to live in, and could afford, at high leverage, my primary farm. That’s basic, of course.

(BTW, I understand the feeling you’ve described. I’ve had the same sick feeling several times before… :biggrin )

Then I would profile all the homes that fit what I wanted to buy.

For example, I know that the average preforeclosure victim starts getting in trouble within the first 24 months of getting a new loan (refinancing especially it seems). I would locate all the new owners, disqualify the ones with ARM loans and second mortgage, if possible, and by square footage, bedrooms, baths, garage, lot size, etc.

Do some homework regarding the taxes being paid in the area by percentage of assessor’s valuation, etc. This way, you can more accurately determine what you want to afford, or not, as taxes influence the payment as much as the going interest rate it seems.

The more filtering you do, the less time you’ll waste, and the less calls you’ll receive, too, which may make you mistakenly think there’s no motivated sellers. That just means that when you do get a call, the juiciest deal has just presented itself.

I would mail all the owners of properties that fit your narrowly defined profile and expect the response rate to be minuscule at first. If you think 8 months of mailing once a month to the same list, you’ll get the exact deal you dreamed of getting.

In your case a nice handwritten letter would be very impressive. They are anyway, but since you’re buying for personal reasons, the extra organic approach will make you more credible and likable, even before you talk with a seller for the first time. It’s not time for “cutesy” however. No “hearts” and “smiley faces.” There’s friendly, and there’s overly familiar…

The more specific you make the terms you’re looking for in the letter, about what you want to accomplish, or are prepared to do, I think the better. It’s automatically qualifies the hotter prospects who will call you. The cold prospects won’t call if you’ve been specific about what you can/want to do. You’ll get the curious calling you that really aren’t interested in doing business, but that’s also part of the territory. I don’t spend time with these callers, but they can be fun to talk with.

Don’t be surprised if you get responses a year after mailing something…after the prospect warms up, or something happens to motivate them, and they’re seeing your letter pop up in their mailbox once a month.

Frankly, I don’t like doing Lease/Options as a buyer. I like getting the deed and giving myself all the exit strategies available without having to involve the seller further (or later). However, L/O’s are powerful financing tools when buying or selling regardless.

There’s a lot more I could say here, but one of the most important things I’ve learned is to speak and act confidently when pitching sellers on what you can/want to do. I mean “really” acting like you know what you’re doing …even if you don’t have a clue. Lie to yourself if you have to, but if you’re wishy-washy, uncertain, or looking around trying to “find the right words,” etc, you’re toast.

And frankly, maybe it would be a good idea to schedule some practice pitches on properties and prospects you could care less if you got. Rejection is a great tool for refining and honing your pitching arm.

Most people take rejection personally. The faster you can get passed this, the more effective you’ll be at pitching and closing on sellers.

“Fake it til you make it!” is my mantra. Nobody knows, except you, if you’ve said the wrong thing. However saying the wrong thing confidently will get you to closing and is supremely better than saying the right thing with an apologetic, sheepish, or milquetoast tone of a weenie.

That’s all I’ve got for now…

I’ve blogged several times about pitching sellers profitably. Check it out.

Have fun! :biggrin

Wow, javipa thank you so much man for all the great tips! I’ll definitely steer clear of hearts and smiley faces in my letters haha. I have one question though… where do you get your information on the financing terms of these homes? I hear people talk about getting leads from different court offices or county offices, but is there some way to get a list of financing for all the homes in an area? because then it would be easy to rule out the ARMs and the seconds, it would also be nice for leads on pre-foreclosures and stuff…

Look for owner financing, there are desperate owners out there right now trying to get rid of their houses.

Instead of all the letters, I would just start calling on newspaper “For Sale By Owner” ads. And get the free little neighborhood newspapers, too.

Start driving all the ads that look feasible. Start telling all those sellers that you are a buyer and that you are looking to solve their problems by getting that “Don’t Want 'Er !” property off their hands.

After some weeks of being diligent on calling you will stumble on a good deal.

Furnishedowner

I use CORELOGIC and the title company to help me assemble mailing lists. In CA, the law changed in 2009 making it illegal to provide defaulted loan information. This hasn’t been a big issue for me, since I can make money on these houses, too.

I’ve got a call out to CORELOGIC to get back to me on the loan issues. I’m not sure if it’s just CA, or not, yet.

Meantime, you can buy the information from a different source, because it is available for a price… Maybe get it from a mortgage broker?

I’ll let you know what I find. Frankly, my list is defined in such a way that I don’t get that many defaults. Searching only for fixed rate loans made in the last two years, without seconds, eliminates most of defaults. Going back to 2008 …is another story.


I’m not against making phone calls to FSBO’s in the paper like furnishedowner suggests. However, I’ve yet to get a deal from a FSBO that was worth a squat. FSBO’s think they’ve got options and think they’re competent to sell houses without agents, and they’re just greedy 80% of the time for the agent’s commission. Not to mention, FSBO’s they read a post here (or somewhere else) and think they can now do “lease options” with the best of us, etc.

That said, expired listings in your farm are GREAT sources of motivated sellers. However, getting that list without an agent’s help is…a chore, or a big favor…

“Failed escrow” sellers are a gold mine. Just weed out the short sale deals, and pre-foreclosure situations, unless you have some money to bring things current and the loan terms are worth saving …and you’re not over-buying a house price-wise, for too much over retail. Not qualifying for a loan is worth something isn’t it? Actually, not, unless the house has LOTS of bells and whistles, or things included like cars, furniture, antiques, etc. I’ve asked for everything and got half of it before. I know other investors have asked for the entire house of furniture and got it…and they weren’t overpaying for the house.

That all said, any FSBO that pays to advertise in the paper, of all places, IS going to be motivated seller by all standards. So, check out old FSBO classifieds from August/Sept/October and make some calls. I’ll bet you get some interested bites.

Craigslist is loaded with investors like me, so I would look at the oldest FSBO ads you can find. You can also use Owner Finance, Seller Financing, Lease/Option or Desperate" as keywords and bring up all the sellers that might do something besides all cash.

I think the sweet spot is finding a seller with a freshly expired listing, with a fixed rate loan, very little equity, and the house is already empty cuz the seller moved to Arizona. That’s gonna be a deal…!

Be patient, be confident, and be ready…!

That was fun! Keep at it, and let us know what else happens.