I agree.
… lol
BlueMoon,
You said all that I wanted to say, only much better!
You are right, those younger didn’t see the sudden huge influx of mentally ill onto the streets under Reagan. It was as if we were suddenly in a 3rd world country. I remember my medical co-workers being as angry as I was about it. Him in his Ivory Tower! That empty suit! The “let them eat cake” philosophy. The “trickle down from the rich” philosophy. I had him as governor and then as president, and then I had to endure the whole 30-day mourning period for this clueless president. (But I loved him as an actor, boy he WAS reassuring).
Listening to some of the current debates–the elderly are scared to death that their Medicaid will be taken away. That shows the great need for that government program and the fact that it has worked so far. The elderly rely on it.
And people rely on Social Security. Before there was Social Security it was common to see signs of starvation on the faces of the elderly poor. Thank God those days are gone. Look at how politically unpopular social security was… all the same arguments as today against universal healthcare. Yet Social Security is now a pillar of our societal functioning.
Now it is time to get that social safety net for health care under those who don’t have it. The millions and millions who don’t have it. So the desperate Mom doesn’t have to go to the ER at 3 AM for the baby’s earache and fever. So she can go to a clinic for preventative care much earlier.
So that people like my insurance-less daughter don’t get hit up with a $1500 bill for 2 stitches in ER. And my worker’s sister $1800 to rule out that her child’s bad bellyache wasn’t appendicitis. So that insurance company executives don’t live like princes from the premiums paid by poor folk to treat their cancers.
Furnishedowner
The "trickle down from the rich "theory???UMmmmm how many broke people are hiring??I see you thought reagan was arrogant,and your beloved obama is’nt the definition of arrogance :rolleyes …Really ??I’ve seen how out of touch with normal people all of washington is the last few months,and I guess you are right there with them.
Exactly, thats what Liberals WANT. They WANT people to rely on government for things, that gives them more power… Do you not understand that…? This is their fundamental agenda. Give people so much things that they cant live without government. I cant believe you think this is a GOOD thing.
Conservatives, like me and a few others, want people to rely on themselves. Which will lead to more prosperity and more freedom.
And with Social Security… its broken. Do you not understand that? Why do you prefer giving people money > bankrupting our country?
Furnishedowner,
“You are right, those younger didn’t see the sudden huge influx of mentally ill onto the streets under Reagan.”
This happened in California… BTW, under a DEMOCRATIC legislature… Two of the bills signatories were DEMOCRATS…
“It was as if we were suddenly in a 3rd world country.”
What an absolutely ludicrous statement… You demean the stuggles that third world people go through…
“I remember my medical co-workers being as angry as I was about it.”
Yes, and I am sure you did nothing about it… except call the police… :rolleyes You were in the medical community, and the first you heard about it was on the street with your friend AFTER you saw this one man on the street??? Remember this… “My God,” I asked my friend, “What has happened? Why is that really sick man on the street?” “Oh, you haven’t heard?” Me thinks me smells some BS… :bs
“Him in his Ivory Tower!”
Same could be said of you… of course it would be - “She in her ivory tower”… Making ALL that money with LOTS of property and can’t even help any of her “friends”…
“That empty suit! The “let them eat cake” philosophy. The “trickle down from the rich” philosophy.”
As a business owner, have you forgotten that jobs come from businesses and NOT employees…
“I had him as governor and then as president, and then I had to endure the whole 30-day mourning period for this clueless president. (But I loved him as an actor, boy he WAS reassuring).”
You had to endure NOTHING… I assume you have 10 fingers and could easily change the channel or read a book… If you have cable/sattelite TV, you had PLENTY of other choices to choose from…
“Listening to some of the current debates–the elderly are scared to death that their Medicaid will be taken away.”
And why shouldn’t they, they PAID INTO IT THEIR WHOLE LIVES, and 90% of them STILL have to buy supplemental insurance to cover all the holes…
“That shows the great need for that government program and the fact that it has worked so far. The elderly rely on it.”
Ask senior citizens how well it works… It has positives, but they are far outweighed by the negatives, INCLUDING ever increasing taxes to pay for it…
“And people rely on Social Security. Before there was Social Security it was common to see signs of starvation on the faces of the elderly poor.”
Considering that Social Security started in 1935, I would like to know how you know this… As far as relying on Social Security…
49% Say Workers Should Be Able To Opt Out of Social Security
“Thank God those days are gone. Look at how politically unpopular social security was…”
It still is… and the critics predictions proved RIGHT on it… as they did with Medicare, Medicaid, etc…
“all the same arguments as today against universal healthcare. Yet Social Security is now a pillar of our societal functioning.”
This is not true… People have paid into it their whole life as a TAX, they should absolutely have an expectation of getting it… what is pathetic, is that they STILL have to supplement it BECAUSE it does not cover everything…
“Now it is time to get that social safety net for health care under those who don’t have it.”
It’s ALREADY there…
“The millions and millions who don’t have it.”
Yes, INCLUDING illegal aliens, those who DON"T WANT IT, those who are eligible for EXISTING PROGRAMS but CHOOSE not to use it…
“So the desperate Mom doesn’t have to go to the ER at 3 AM for the baby’s earache and fever.”
Uhm… what doctor’s office do you know that is open at 3am??? :rolleyes And in any case, she could STILL go to the ER, which is where she would be heading if it was 3am… Having had to do this, I speak from experience…
“So she can go to a clinic for preventative care much earlier.”
Preventative care for an earache??? 3am Doctor office visits… you are reaching, aren’t you??? :bs
“So that people like my insurance-less daughter don’t get hit up with a $1500 bill for 2 stitches in ER.”
That was ill-advised… she could have gone to a local doctors office, and had it done for a fraction of that amount… BESIDES, she’s YOUR DAUGHTER, why should others have to pay for her treatment??? Why should you not be expected to step in when she can’t help herself??? Hopefully, this was the case…
“And my worker’s sister $1800 to rule out that her child’s bad bellyache wasn’t appendicitis.”
Catscans cost money… that’s not gong to change… and if she is going to avail herself of the services, WHY shouldn’t she have to pay for it???
“So that insurance company executives don’t live like princes from the premiums paid by poor folk to treat their cancers.”
This I love… the argument could be turned right back at you Furnishedowner… why should “desparate” people have their equity STOLEN by people like you (making a point), because they don’t know any better, just so you can charge OTHER people $1500-$2000/month to stay in them??? So they paid down their mortgage INCREASING equity (current down cycle notwithstanding), and YOU swoop in an TAKE the equity THEY created, the property and future income because of their circumstance…
How DARE you take advantage of people in such desparate circumstances… :rolleyes watch those glass houses… :bs
Oh, never mind, I forgot, you are a liberal… and there’s no such thing as liberal hypocrisy… :beer
Furnished,
Why bother???
Positive is miserable…He bought a flip property ONE YEAR ago he STILL has yet to finish…
His party got their @SSES handed to them in the election…The country is laughing at people like him (just like we are here)
The country has had it with the Republican party…He on the losing end…
There is NOTHING you can say that he won’t argue about.
Remember this…
YOU are a SUCCESSFUL Real Estate INVESTOR…HE is NOT…You have made money in a tough business and think that some of that money could be used to HELP other people…You think it might be a bad idea to RELEASE mental patients, UNSUPERVISED into society…He doesn’t see a problem there. His argument is that YOU should help a mentally unstable person. Not TRAINED PROFESSIONALS in a hospital enviroment. YOU should stop your car and HELP!!!
According to that logic…The next time a BRIDGE in your area needs to be rebuilt…YOU, should go down to HOME DEPOT, get some Quik Crete, and get to WORK!!! The FACT that you never treated mental patients or repaired BRIDGES is a side note. It doesn’t MATTER… It’s a LIBERAL EXCUSE. :banghead :banghead
I noticed a 737 that seems to be blowing out a little too much dark exhaust today at my local airport.
I’m gonna run down there and see if I can adjust the JOHNSON ROD in that engine. I’ve never worked on a JET or even SEEN a motor for one…Hell, I don’t even know if there IS a johnson rod in there…
BUT hey…I’m not gonna sit back and make anymore excuses!!!
This is where your wrong jake. Positive is a CONSERVATIVE, not a Republican. Republicans arent conservative anymore, they are progressivlites.(which is why their in the trouble they are now).
I havent asked Postive on his opinion on the Republicans, but I pretty much gaurantee you he hates the majority of them.
Just because he hasnt completed a deal, big deal. Thats makes him no more of a lesser or better person, not does it make his views any less important.
The main problem is the “blame” game in the two party system.While people are fighting over who’s to blame,your country is the one who really ends up on the screwed end.Get a clue,the two party system :bs and going with the party IS THE PROBLEM.Whenever people discover how to hold individuals responsible we’ll all be better off and have more honesty restored in govt.
I’ve only said this I think 5 times now,come on guys!!! :biggrin
Fdjake,
“Why bother???”
She hasn’t, which is usually the problem… she’ll put something out there, and then when challenged, the majority of the time… silence…
“Positive is miserable…He bought a flip property ONE YEAR ago he STILL has yet to finish…”
More of your math skills at work Fdjake… only in your world is just under 11 months ONE YEAR… Kinda like $20,000 and 30%… :biglaugh :lol
As far as being “miserable”, me thinks a little more projection on your part… :bs
“His party got their @SSES handed to them in the election…The country is laughing at people like him (just like we are here)”
Funny thing about this is that I’ve voted Rep, Dem & Lib and have advocated on other threads that I think BOTH parties should be cleaned out and new blood brought in… as far as, “just like we are here”… you mean ALL THOSE PM’ers Fdjake, who left you swinging in the breeze, after I challenged you on it and INVITED them to publicly criticize me BOTH times you tried to assert that… :biglaugh :lol
“You think it might be a bad idea to RELEASE mental patients, UNSUPERVISED into society…He doesn’t see a problem there”
I NEVER said that… AGAIN, MORE words put into other peoples mouth by you FDjake… What I said was that the assertion put forth by Furnishedowner was incorrect, and I then referenced the actual Act, ENACTED by a DEM legislature, and with two of the three signatories of it being DEMOCRAT, and the role the ACLU played in it…
Nice try junior…
" His argument is that YOU should help a mentally unstable person. Not TRAINED PROFESSIONALS in a hospital enviroment. YOU should stop your car and HELP!!!"
What I posited was that approximately 30 years ago, Furnishedowner ASSUMED she had the ability to determine whether the person was “phsychotic” or not JUST BY LOOKING AT HIM… She didn’t even ASK if needed any help… no food, no clothing, no churches, her offer was to call the police without even asking him…
“There is NOTHING you can say that he won’t argue about.”
I’m sorry Fdjake… you are different here, how??? I mean think about it… you are not only content in arguing, but you also have to find yourself ARGUING FOR SOMEONE ELSE… and since we are keeping track of the amount of words, having to use almost 300 words to do it!!! :biglaugh :lol
“YOU should stop your car and HELP”
First, she never said she was in a car, but if she was, she would have HAD to stop her car to make the call to the police, as there WERE NO CELL PHONES then… But if she WAS in her car, it would have made it all the more easier to ASK him if he needed help… But, from what she said, she HEARD him talking to himself, which means, she was in ear-shot of him, and could have indeed ASKED him… point was, she criticized Reagan for a policy, which she has no understanding of (and BTW, does not hold the Dem legislature or ACLU similiarly accountable), while when faced with the situation, DID NOTHING SUBSTANTIVE, except supposedly call the police… and even then, did not hang around to see if they arrived to take care of the situation…
Hoosier,
"This is where your wrong jake. Positive is a CONSERVATIVE, not a Republican. "
You are correct, Hoosier… which is WHY I’ve voted for Rep, Dem & Lib… But that won’t stop him…
The only thing left blowing in the breeze was your LAME excuses and arguments on your flip.
You are a complete joke.
You say it hasn’t been a year yet, But we all KNOW (because we actually BUY & SELL HOMES unlike YOU) it will be WELL OVER ONE YEAR before this project is complete…THEN…You have to SELL IT…That ALONE is now taking 6 to 9 MONTHS…SO…Like I said OVER ONE YEAR…That is FACT!!! Again your arguments are a JOKE…
YOU…Not me, stated (in 2008 when you bought this DUMP) that comps in that area were $65- $75K (YOU typed those words NOT me)…One year later the comps have CLIMBED to almost $90K??? In THE WORST REAL ESTATE market in HISTORY??? AGAIN MORE BS. But this is what jokers do…When the numbers don’t ADD UP…They just CHANGE the NUMBERS!!! Where I come from if a comp comes in at $65K then I’m told a year later the comps are now $85K (which is EXACTLY what you CLAIM) That is OVER a 30% INCREASE…When this little MATH ERROR of yours was pointed out for everyone to see…You simply CHANGED the NUMBERS…You looked like an idiot…Who do you think you’re BSing here…WE ACTUALLY BUY & SELL PROPERTY unlike YOU…You looked like a doofus and I simply pointed out your numbers…I also pointed to some CLASSIC mistakes you made on this project. They were…
Going over budget
Missing deadlines
Missing major defects in the property
Over estimating projections
Not completing the project
But my favorite one is what you’ve been showing us from day one…This project isn’t FINISHED!!! This is CLASSIC first time flipper DENIAL!!! Once this project is SOLD… all the BSing ends and you will be forced to ADD UP all your holding costs, budget over runs, HEATING BILLS for THIS Winter …That TAX Bill due in January and all the other expenses on this project…At that exact point YOU WILL FACE REALITY…Then all the BSing will end…What you’re about to LEARN is how HARD it is to sell ANY property in this market…How hard it is to get someone financed, how LONG it takes…The fact that you even ARGUE over a UNFINISHED PROJECT that is at the 11 month mark and is NOT ready to even be LISTED shows everyone here EXACTLY how much you DON’T KNOW. And THAT KILLS you…You like to come off as someone with ANSWERS…ANSWERS for BIG Problems and projects…But the reality is…You can’t even handle your little 800 sq ft rehab.
Your ignorance is BLINDING…And here’s the PROOF!!!..You ARGUE that it hasn’t been a year YET…But you have NEVER even acknowledged what ALL experienced rehabbers know…Once the project is COMPETE…You’re only 50% done…(and you’re not even at the 50% point)…The OTHER 50% is the SELLING PROCESS…This can take LONGER than the rehab…Experienced investors know this all too well, that’s why they don’t take ONE YEAR to complete a 800 sq ft rehab!!!..YOU on the other hand CONTINUE to cry “It hasn’t been a year yet” Buddy…IF…and it’s a BIG IF…You get this thing wrapped up this WINTER??? You could EASILY NOT have it SOLD by this time NEXT YEAR!!!..The market is that tough…You have NO IDEA…But that won’t keep you from arguing about percentge points, decimals, spelling or any of the other hundreds of worthless points you try use to deflect attention from the REAL ISSUE.
I’ve said this before and I’ll say it AGAIN…You could probably get away with your BS on a political web site…But on a REI site…IT REALLY STANDS OUT!!! As I said…EXPERIENCED rehabbers know how long it can take to sell a property in this market…For this very reason, they PUSH and PUSH hard to get these projects done in a timely manner. Add in a DECLINING real estate market and it’s even more URGENT…UNLESS??? You have NO IDEA what you’re doing and what’s REALLY going on out there!!! You are about to do some REAL LEARNING!!! And the lesson will NOT come cheap…WATCH!!
I’ll continue to point out the HOLES in your BS stories and you can continue to talk around them…But rest assured…WE ALL see you for what you really are.
Fdjake,
“The only thing left blowing in the breeze was your LAME excuses and arguments on your flip.”
LOL… Dude you were TOTALLY left blowing in the breeze… not once, but TWICE… I am not giving you arguments or excuses on my flip… just answering your assertions on it… you see, Fdjake, the only time it comes up is when YOU bring it up… :biglaugh :lol
“You say it hasn’t been a year yet, But we all KNOW (because we actually BUY & SELL HOMES unlike YOU) it will be WELL OVER ONE YEAR before this project is complete…”
Well now, that’s NOT what YOU said now was it?! YOU said, as you have many times before - “He bought a flip property ONE YEAR ago…” - What makes it even MORE ridiculous is that you’ve said this same thing BEFORE months ago… I have said it will be over one year before the project is complete…
“Where I come from if a comp comes in at $65K then I’m told a year later the comps are now $85K”
Nice try at re-write, Fdjake… As has been shown before… The realtor gave COMPS that ranged from $45 - $95K… the average SOLD COMPS were at $65K, BUT the COMPS on the SAME STREET were $75 - $95K respectively for homes as is… when the REALTOR, who is ALSO an investor and OWNS a Help-U-Sell gave the INITIAL range of $65K - $75K, that was for less work than what we ultimately decided to do… Revised numbers, FROM THE REALTOR of $80 - $85K were based on the fact that this wlll be a NEW house…
So, using YOUR NUMBERS, adding 30% to that $65 - $75K original ARV, would have made the numbers $85K - $98K… nice try junior… The new numbers were actuallly $80 - $85K (23% & 13%, NOT 30%) for a NEW HOUSE on a street where the two houses in the COMPS were SOLD at $75 & $95K, putting the $80-$85K smack dab in the average of the two FOR A NEW HOUSE, bottom to top and front to back…
So to get your mythical 30%, you had to take the LOW of the initial estimate and go to the HIGH of the new estimate, which were based on two DIFFERENT scenarios, one with rehab, the other with being NEW… You, as the ultimate self-proclaimed real estate investor, don’t see the difference??.. how freaking pathetic…
“But this is what jokers do…”
Yes, we can see that… I guess instead of the Jakester, your new name should be the jokester to reflect more accurately your persona…
“What you’re about to LEARN is how HARD it is to sell ANY property in this market…”
That may be, but like I said before, our area wasn’t hit like it was nationally, and people are flocking to our neck of the woods for a higher standard of living… But, we’ll see… time will tell…
“800 sq ft rehab”
As you been told many times, the house is 875-900 sf, but you can’t even get THAT right…
“You like to come off as someone with ANSWERS…ANSWERS for BIG Problems and projects…But the reality is…You can’t even handle you little 800 sq ft rehab.”
As if the sum of my life, experiences and opinions revolve around an investment property… LOL LOL LOL :biglaugh :lol
" ADD UP all your holding costs, budghet over runs, HEATING BILLS for THIS Winter…That TAX Bill due in January and all the other expenses on this project…"
I forgot you are in New England, so now I know why you are so focused on the heating bill… You must go through alot of oil durig the winter to be so sensitive to it… Where we are, we have heat pumps and central air. The tax bill in Janurary of $700+ is already in the totals. As far as the other expenses, they are accounted for… You forget, I’ve been in business for many years… and this is a SIDE investment… Being our first flip, I am SURE we will make mistakes…
One thing is for ABSOLUTE CERTAIN Fdjake - The search bar is YOUR enemy FDjake… anyone can at anytime look up what we’ve said… and THAT does indeed kill you because you KNOW in the back of your mind what that means… You’ll notice I am the one always telling people to use it to see how much you BS and to BACK-up what I say… OUCH!
Another straw man bites the dust… onto the next one Fdjake…
This is where you show EVERYONE how LITTLE you know…
Those low comp numbers are EXACTLY what any PRO would use…You NEVER use the highs…ONLY STROKERS do this…But they never last long in this business (you’ll see that first hand) The on top of it all you NOW say people are FLOCKING to your neck of the woods!!!
Funny??? One YEAR AGO this neighborhood “wasn’t the best” but NOW people are FLOCKING THERE!!!
Keep up the BULLSH*T STORIES!!!
NO ONE here is buying it…NO ONE…
Fdjake,
“Those low comp numbers are EXACTLY what any PRO would use…You NEVER use the highs…ONLY STROKERS do this…But they never last long in this business (you’ll see that first hand) The on top of it all you NOW say people are FLOCKING to your neck of the woods!!!”
LOL… Well, if that’s the case, FDjake, using YOUR NEW argument above, you should have used the $80K (which would have been 23% like I said NOT 30% like YOU said) figure, NOT the $85K (which was the high, remember)… you just keep digging it deeper… keep it going… it’s quite entertaining to watch the self-proclaimed expert jump all over the place… By YOUR OWN definition, you just called YOURSELF a stroker, because you used the HIGH number to come up with your 30%… LOL :biglaugh :lol
“Funny??? One YEAR AGO this neighborhood “wasn’t the best” but NOW people are FLOCKING THERE!!!”
I said flocking to our neck of the woods, meaning our state, but the property is located in one of the more popular parts of the state… “wasn’t the best”, means it is not high-end… it low-middle class… I wouldn’t buy in a war zone… It’s a mile and a half from a major university, close to the elementary school, right around the corner from a local park, three churches… so not in a war zone, making it appealing to those who want to jump from renting to owning.
An $85,000 30-year mortgage at 6% is $501/month, plus $60/month RE taxes and $30/month for insurance… Totalling LESS than $600/month…
The rents in the area range from $600 - $725 (the house next door recently RAISED their rent from $550 to $600 and it rented right away, and that house is SMALLER, with no front and back deck, smaller bedrooms and no formal dining room…
So even at the HIGH-END nunber of $85K for a NEW HOUSE, their monthly payment would be LESS than what they would spend to RENT a smaller house…
So, no matter how you look at it Fdjake, the numbers are good on this deal, so the ONLY thing you have to hang on here is the schedule, and like I told you, I am not doing it according to your schedule… and also like I said, even if I hold on to it for TWO years, my ROI will STILL be double-digits…
“NO ONE here is buying it…NO ONE…”
And yet, YOU are the ONLY one commenting on it as your continual source of a straw man (talk about boring)… very interesting… so let’s play it out, FDjake and find out whose really full of it… and whose just grasping at “straws” to make their straw men…
I invite EVERYONE on REICLUB to critique this deal… tear apart the numbers… to save time… UPFRONT, I will stipulate the argument about the schedule, other than that… have at it… and feel free to use the search bar liberally…
BTW, we’ve ALREADY heard where you stand ad nauesium, FDjake… so we are looking for FRESH input…
Here’s where you are completely LOST…
You ASK members here to critique this deal???
WHAT DEAL???
The UNFINISHED, UNLISTED, NO DEAD LINE, TERMITE INFESTED< Property you own???
Is that the DEAL you want us to tear apart???
Joker…It’s ALREADY been TORN apart!!!
Until it’s SOLD you have NOTHING…NO DEAL…NOTHING. And if you think for ONE SECOND you’re gonna pull that HIGH NUMBER for a sales price???
You not only BULLSHTTING US…You’re BULLSHTTING YOURSELF!!!
Fdjake,
“You ASK members here to critique this deal??? WHAT DEAL???”
So, in your world, it’s only a deal if it is finished, eh?
“Is that the DEAL you want us to tear apart???”
No, I already provided the numbers on this deal… THAT is what we are talking about…
“Joker…It’s ALREADY been TORN apart!!!”
Actually JOKESTER is you… It was already assigned to to you from Jakester to Jokester… as far as being “torn apart”, you keep telling yourself that… Besides, I ALREADY told you that we had ad nauseum from you on this, and were looking for fresh opinions… you have nothing to add on this, so no need to respond…
“Until it’s SOLD you have NOTHING…NO DEAL…NOTHING. And if you think for ONE SECOND you’re gonna pull that HIGH NUMBER for a sales price???”
That’s like saying your Ford stock wasn’t a deal at $2.50/share…
I don’t know what it will list for at this point… but when it is listed, I will update you then…
When you can CLICK your keybpard and SELL THAT HOUSE OF YOURS in half a SECOND we’ll compare property to stocks…
I can sell EVERY SINGLE SHARE of Ford stock with a SINGLE KEY STROKE…Selling a HOME in this economy is FAR, FAR more difficult.
But you’d have to have SOLD an investment property to know this.
fdjake,
Yes, I am tired of the circular reasoning and nonsensical arguments of PosOutlook. I just can’t wade through all those posts, they go nowhere.
I find that being online here sucks up a lot of time! I write fast, but it’s still hours sometimes. How does Positive do it? Maybe it’s a kind of addiction for him.
The real estate and economy postings are real interesting. I’ve enjoyed your East Coast fireman’s (everyman) views.
This site is a unique chance to drop in on working real estate investors coast-to-coast. I’ve actually changed some of my business practices because of postings here. Propertymanager’s criticism made me tighten up office/salary spending. Another poster, who didn’t believe my rental income, made me think, “Yeah, he’s right, this might not last. Don’t expand now.”
But the political frothing at the mouth and hate-mongering of the Conservative extremists is off-putting. They HAD their vote! It’s a new day now with something actually being accomplished in Washington. At last. No more status quo business as usual. Maybe the changes won’t be perfect, but it sure is better than having a President who just sat on his hands and let his cronies run the country.
Furnishedowner
Furnishedowner,
“I find that being online here sucks up a lot of time! I write fast, but it’s still hours sometimes. How does Positive do it?”
Lately, it’s just alot of copy and paste… Fdjake keeps going to the same thing over and over again…
“Maybe it’s a kind of addiction for him.”
LOL… Maybe :beer That is is you consider 5 days and 19 hours over just under two years (I registered on October 30, 2007) an addiction… Funny thing is Furnishedowner, if that is indeed how you feel, you should know that your stats read 11 days, 9 hours and 11 minutes, and the KICKER is you registered on March 29, 2008… Fdjake’s stats are even HIGHER, but you BOTH average 20 minutes a post, whereas I average 13 minutes, so just like with FDjake, it just takes you longer for your addiction… :biglaugh :lolbut we ALL spend alot of time in Random Ramblings as compared to other parts of the site…
So, I guess that begs the question, whose the addict after all? :biggrin
Or is it just a way to try to suppress someone with a differing POV?
Furnishedowner,
Since you haven’t been keeping up, let’s try just one…
Furnishedowner - “So that insurance company executives don’t live like princes from the premiums paid by poor folk to treat their cancers.”
This I love… the argument could be turned right back at you Furnishedowner… why should “desparate” people have their equity STOLEN by people like you (making a point), because they don’t know any better, just so you can charge OTHER people $1500-$2000/month to stay in them??? So they paid down their mortgage INCREASING equity (current down cycle notwithstanding), and YOU swoop in an TAKE the equity THEY created, the property and future income because of their circumstance…
How DARE you take advantage of people in such desparate circumstances… :rolleyes watch those glass houses… :bs