Newbie/ Would you take this deal???

Need & would gladly accept any advice. I love re. I have always wanted to invest…I just thought it took a lot of money. So I bought a foreclosure for $20,000 in hopes of a quick flip. I have about $28,000 total in it. It has been on the market now for 8 mos ouch!! I have tweaked the listing and added owner financing and would rent it. It has tied up my cash though. My credit has taken a back step also…

So…I find another deal 2 bedroom frame home that needs cosmetics!! Owner is willing to deed me the house. She is upside down on it and has rented it before for $600. House note behind 8 mos. I have asked her to see if she can get the loan modified ( Currently $519 ) includes taxes and Ins. Then I thought I would put about $3000 into the house and rent it for $650.

Now please give me any advice…other than run.Thanks!! :slight_smile:

I’d say before you get into any new RE deals, find yourself some buyers! Looks as though you’re wholesaling without the end buyer. Look on the wholesaling forum and get some tips there on how to find some buyers. Easier to flip a deal when you buy for your buyer! Good Luck!

I understand your passion, but “run” is the solution.

You’re trying too hard to creatively, shoe-horn a bad deal into something worthwhile.

You’ve got a property that unfortunately you are either not marketing well enough, paid too much for in the first place, put too much into, or perhaps committed a half dozen other mistakes.

Don’t feel beat down, yet! You’ve learned, hopefully, how not to make the same mistake twice. Luckily the mistake you’re outlining here was cheap mistake. If you don’t mind parking your money for a long while, you could theoretically claw back the losses with rental income. But what does a 20k house pull in (net you) with 35% expenses based on total annual rent, without a mortgage? It may take longer than you think.

Meantime, maybe the smarter move is to borrow some cash out on the 28k house and use that borrowed money to buy more property? After all, now you control two properties with the cash you used to buy the first property, but for free since your renter is paying for your borrowed money. Just a thought.

Frankly, I would cut my losses and sell the first house for what I could get, and not babysit the thing. Prices are DROPPING everywhere, and will be for the foreseeable future.

Take your remaining net cash and buy a profitable deal the next time.

BTW, next time, know your comps and holding times better. If you can’t find three comps within 10% of the size and square footage of the house you’re considering buying, within the last 90 days, within a mile, you’re gambling again.

On this completed deal waiting to sell, let’s work backwards on the figures just for giggles and see what we should have paid if the after repaired value had actually been $28,000.

$28,000 ARV (obviously not, but for the sake of discussion)

  • $8,400 (less 30% discount off ARV)
    =$19,600 Discount Price
  • $8,000 (less repairs)
    =$11,600 Maximum Allowable Offer (“M.A.O.”)

Now, if you had wanted to flip this house quickly for a fee, you would have deducted another couple thousand from the $11,600, or whatever you think your fee should have been and then assigned the deal to a rehabber.

So, you needed to buy at $11,600, not $20,000 to make this deal work, and make some profit.

First off, dealing with cheapo properties is very dangerous. There’s hardly any room for error. Labor and materials don’t get cheaper just because you’re working on cheaper houses. I’ll just go out on a limb here and say the costs are the same regardless of the price point. The difference is the risk of loss at either extreme. Meantime, the percentages to allow for always stay the same.

Your rehabbing formula for success:

“ARV minus 30% (or 40% depending on what’s next door), minus repairs equals MAO”

You will not go wrong following that formula. It’s tried and tried and true.

Run from the 2nd deal. It’s a loser. :flush

Thanks, for the wholesailing advice!!

Thanks so much for the formula…I have the 1st house listed for $47,000 so it makes me feel slightly better :banghead. You are right though, I want to do deals so much i am trying to make it it work in any way!!

Pleae keep sending your replies…I love seeing different solutions to the problem :bobble

I’m confused:
Title says would you take this deal?, then you ask for advice: other than run.
Which is it?
Since run isn’t acceptable, I suggest walking away.
If the bank is willing to cut the payment into half or third, then it’s worth thinking about.

Sorry for any confusion…just needing advice…thanks for the input on payment also!!