Lou Dobbs for President

Bluemoon06,

“As the country becomes more and more Hispanic the majority of people may end up speaking Spanish. In that case this county may become a Spanish speaking county. Lou Dobbs needs to get with the program. Viva La USA.”

While your concept on the surface may sound plausible, you forget the most important part… I can’t think of a time throughout history, where once the conquering people becomes a country (i.e. - they dominate, own and rule the land), they gave up their language to immigrant populism…

As an example, the Indian tribes, speaking different languages, went through periods of dominance, with complete brutality towards one another, but they never ruled the lands of America as a country… part of that was culture… they never believed that a man could “own” the land, which is why they considered the Louisiana Purchase a fools deal (taking full advantage of it with this knowledge, mind you)…

So the ones who need to “get with the program” are the ones who immigrate here, and want to assimilate into the melting pot and actually become a citizen… That is unless Mexico plans on an invasion… :biggrin

IMHO. because we’ve gotten away from the assimilation aspect of becoming a citizen, we have more problems than are necessary…

Long live the USA! :beer

My workers are NOT illegals. I never said that! I said that they were Mexican. I document the legality to work of anyone who applies for a job in my little business. It’s the law.

The problem with Mexican workers being unable to return home for Christmas, New Years, etc. is well documented and I learned about it from Newsweek, Time or one of those magazines. The new stricter border crossing enforcement in effect since 9-11 had an unexpected effect–legal workers did not want to return home because of the extensive document checking they now had to undergo. The workers worried that they wouldn’t be able to get back in time to go back to work. They worried (rightfully), that they could risk their jobs if they were held up on the border.

Our border regions have a 400+ year history of migrations back and forth across the border. It has always been viewed as no big deal to go to Mexico, or to the US. Now it’s a big deal. This much stronger enforcement is having unforeseen sociological impact on border families. There are thousands of border families who speak both languages and have relatives in both countries. Jobs and family obligations have always shifted across this fluid border. Now that has changed, and Mexican citizens are electing to stay in the US rather than risk a holiday visit home.

Border regions, all across the world, share two languages. Alsace, in France, French and German. Schleswig, in Germany, German and Danish. Tessin, in Switzerland, Schweizer Deutsch and Italian, New Mexico, Arizona, California and Texas, English and Spanish. This has to be a world-wide characteristic of border regions.

What is interesting to me is that immigrant pockets–Puerto Ricans in New York, Mexican immigrants in the MidWest, and migrant workers everywhere bring their language, food, and culture with them. We are all enriched by this new infusion of peoples and their energy.

It is easy to criticize someone for not speaking the language of the country in which they are living. I am telling you, it is MUCH MORE difficult to learn a language as an adult. Not impossible, but difficult. And if you are not that well-educated to begin with, like many older, poorer Mexican workers, who maybe only had a couple of years of Spanish education in the village school, almost impossible. The kids learn a new language like breathing. We don’t.

My experience in being almost totally illiterate in Japan (3 alphabets to learn) humbled me big-time. It is much easier to learn Spanish, though, SAME ALPHABET, and very logical. I am having fun and making great strides with this language, now understanding maybe 1/2 if I know the subject. You should try it, it opens doors to many new customers, clients, experiences. Makes you a world citizen, not a provincial.

Intelligent, educated people, all across the world, strive to learn a language other than their mother tongue. In this country, it is a requirement for an advanced University degree.

Nobody is throwing out English! But studying Spanish as a second language, would be really smart. Spanish is a HUGE language, one of the top 5 in the world.

Furnishedowner

Furnishedowner,

“It is easy to criticize someone for not speaking the language of the country in which they are living. I am telling you, it is MUCH MORE difficult to learn a language as an adult. Not impossible, but difficult.”

Since it is so hard (learning it in a night school would make it hard), the question then should be… Being that it is difficult for all adults to learn a new language, who should have to learn the extra language… the person wanting citizenship in the country that does not speak their native language, or the inhabitants of the country?

Who should have to assimilate?

[[[[…immigrant pockets–Puerto Ricans in New York…]]]]

Sorry, Furnishedowner, but Puerto Ricans in New York are no more immigrants than Californians or Alabamans in New York are. Puerto Ricans are US Nationals, not foreign nationals.

tatertot,
Whoops–yes, of course you are right. My knowledge of the East Coast is based on only some tourist travel and reading. I did know that Puerto Ricans are American citizens. We have had a few Puerto Rican-born federal employees stay with us over the years. I hope to vacation there some day.

Furnishedowner

Furnishedowner,

“Who should have to assimilate”

So I take it no answer… AGAIN… :rolleyes

PosOutlook,
Of course the immigrant should have to assimilate! You ask such non-sensical questions!

I have NEVER known a newcomer to this country who DIDN’T want to learn English. Of course everyone knows it is the language of the country. What I was saying was that it is DIFFICULT. If you are a field laborer, you don’t have access to Rosetta Stone, or a computer. Or even night classes. Life is all about working for that paycheck and surviving.

I take the people who work for me to the local library. They are astounded that they are allowed access for free. It’s their children who “get it”, who start assimilating. I see it every week–their kids play together, in English. They answer Mami and Papi in Spanish.

My question to you, PO, is–If the population in your town starts shifting to Spanish-speaking–if you become a minority speaker, are YOU willing to make the effort to learn? Or will you be on the sidelines, complaining?

Furnishedowner

Furnishedowner,

“Of course the immigrant should have to assimilate! You ask such non-sensical questions!”

More like common-sense rhetorical questions to make the point… as with everything else, you want to place the burden of communication on the people living here as opposed to those who WANT to live here… wrong emphasis… which was my point…

“I have NEVER known a newcomer to this country who DIDN’T want to learn English. Of course everyone knows it is the language of the country. What I was saying was that it is DIFFICULT. If you are a field laborer, you don’t have access to Rosetta Stone, or a computer. Or even night classes. Life is all about working for that paycheck and surviving.”

Like you said, libraries have FREE internet access for those who don’t have it for themselves… a product like Rosetta Stone could also be provided as part of their citizenship application, but in doing so, just like with a DRIVING LICENSE, they should have to have a BASIC communication level in English for citizenship as part of assimilating… it only SERVES THEM for this to be a requirement. With the internet, you don’t NEED night classes… any more excuses?

“My question to you, PO, is–If the population in your town starts shifting to Spanish-speaking–if you become a minority speaker, are YOU willing to make the effort to learn? Or will you be on the sidelines, complaining?”

LOL… first off, I already speak Spanish… but let’s assume I didn’t… why would I learn another language unless it was necessary to me to communicate? Chances are, if I were the MINORITY of English-speaking in a town, I would seek out those who speak my language, as they do in all ethnic towns… People will follow the path of least-resistance and communicate and befriend people they find it easy to communicate with, unless they are giving reason not to…

For instance, I know Spanish-speaking people… and guess what, they communicate with English, even if it is BROKEN English… they do this, BECAUSE they WANT or NEED something… but if we were to follow your logic, they wouldn’t TAKE THE TIME to learn what they need to GET what they WANT or NEED… as with everything else in life, all it takes is initiative and motivation…