Hi Tang,
I am always happy to hear about people starting out in real estate investing, there is certainly enough for all of us, good luck in all your future deals!
The amount owed the bank is generally listed as UPB (unpaid balance), but…I have found that has very little to do with what the banks “bottom line” is.
The best example I can offer is a short sale I successfully completed last week.
The property was in default, (60 days plus past due) but the foreclosure process had not begun yet. I contacted the homeowner and obtained their permission to talk with the lender.
Here is how the numbers looked;
a. Original loan amount due $136,000.00
b. Late fee’s due $786.00
c. Unpaid principal $6790.00
d. Unpaid property taxes $5470.00
e. 2nd mortgage $21,322.00
Total due lender - $170,368.00
The home needs approx. $12k in work to make it a nice livable property. This is a property in a town about 30 minutes from where I live but is on 1 1/2 acres.
This property was appraised last year for $161,000.00
Based on those numbers, what would you offer the lender?
Here is what I did on this deal;
a. Obtained a letter from the lender stating they were willing to sell me the property. I utilized this when talking with the homeowners to lend validity to our negotiations. They asked for $10k to sign the Quit Claim Deed, but after an hour of talking, settled for $1k. I had them both go to the same lender the loan was with to have the QCD notorized (this way the lender cannot claim they didn’t know I was doing this or didn’t agree to it)
b. I then offered the bank $105k, with them paying off and showing me proof they paid the past due taxes and the 2nd mortgage. In addition, they needed to agree to waive in writing, all late fee’s and unpaid principal. I only wanted this property if they agreed to sell it to me free from all encomberances.
c. I gave them $6k down with an agreement that I would pay principal payments only, for 6 months on the original unpaid balance. Yes, they agreed to a 6 month no interest loan. And agreed to cash them out on or before the 6 months.
d. I paid for an insurance policy on the property.
The property currently appraises at $163k and I haven’t started remodeling it yet, the subject too appraisal is $240k - $260k.
In all fairness, for every offer I make like this I obtain 3-5 out of 10. It doesn’t always work. And, this is with a regional bank. I’m not sure how the larger lenders would respond, many times it based a great deal on the person your working with.
This deal was a win, but you can sometimes put a great deal of time, effort and a little money in a deal and it goes away. I have had that happen as well.
Go Get’em!
Ray Rochefort, mgr. mem.