It is a hard concept for a person that does not have an agile mind, but to paraphrase Captain Kirk from Star Trek when he said it is “important to know how things work on a star ship”. Things don’t work because one side thinks it works that way. You have to listen to see when your side is right and when your side is wrong. When it is wrong you have to let it go. When it is right you have to “fight” the battle."
If one side is not right or wrong, there cannot be any right or wrong, so there is nothing to let go OR fight for… You are either saying there IS a right or wrong or you are saying the opposite… Understanding circular reasoning like the above does indeed require an agile mind to recognize it’s weakness…
“I am not sure what you mean but I think I agree with you. You do need basic geography. When you are in Los Angeles you have to know if Bakersfield is north or south. But once you figure that out the signs take you right to Bakersfield, and then Fresno, and then Sacramento etc. No signs can help you if you leave Bakersfield and then expect to see San Diego.”
Which is why I said if you are speaking locally your concept works… when you go beyond it, you need directions in some form… To know where San Diego is from Bakersfield (i.e. - NSEW) you have to, guess what… LOOK AT A MAP… It’s OK to admit you were wrong, despite your circular reasoning regarding right and wrong…
“The more I get to know you the more I admire you. It is good to know that the only reason you pay your taxes is because you want to. That is what I call a good citizen. The only reason I pay my taxes because I am scared of the IRS.”
I don’t know where you got THAT from… :rolleyes
“Employer withholding is another fact that proves the power of the IRS. Were it not for the IRS every employee would just claim 100 dependents on the W-4 and there would be no taxes with held.”
Apparently, you’ve never heard of an audit… nor are you familiar with withholdings and how it works…
" When you go to war, you don’t want an ashtray on your submarine that is going to slide off a table and cause a fire so you pay $1000 for that ashtray"
Not when you can get one for a fraction of that cost… you are making my argument for me…
“I didn’t say it was not a great man’s opinion, I said it was a man’s opinion.”
Suffice to say, his “opinion” carries more weight, being that he was THERE founding the country and then ENFORCING the laws…
“We both agree on this.” (i.e. - spending)
No, we don’t… you are OK with waste and increased costs as long as the “program du jour” is fulfilled… I’m not…
“We can be in debt. But we need to have a plan to control how much debt we have to make sure our spending growth is tied to our income growth. But this has no bearing on having an effective program or not.”
Here is where you are completely wrong… oops, there’s that word again… Mismanagement of the funds and being in debt ROBS the citizenry through INCREASED TAXES just to pay the INTEREST on the debt, which this year ALONE is $500+ BILLION DOLLARS! Never mind growing obligations through population growth, illegal alien financial pressures on ALL SYSTEMS, etc…
I can’t honestly see how you can think COST has no bearing on having an effective program or not… :banghead :banghead
We are only paying on the INTEREST ONLY, and the PRINCIPAL IN THE TRILLIONS has very little chance of EVER being paid off… and you want to give these people control of healthcare??? Based on what???
“To bring it back to real estate it is like buying a house that needs fixing up but fixing it up in a half assed way and expecting to make money. You have to do things right. If you can’t afford to fix the house right don’t buy the house.”
Yes, let’s bring it back to real estate… the government is an EXCELLENT example of someone buying a property, and then having it cost FIVE TIMES as much as they estimated, and then being underwater…
In the real world, this person would be CUT-OFF after doing this a few times… The government does this as a matter of PRACTICE, but because they can FORCE you to pay more and more taxes, WITHOUT YOUR CONSENT…
“Back to my “understand how things work”. You are actually saying you want a new health care system. I agree.”
No, you are wrong… I do not want a new health care system… the one we have now has things that can be improved, but you don’t find Americans going to other SOCIALIZED countries for treatment in any discernible size… but you DO find people with SOCIALIZED healthcare coming here for care…
“The proposed new plan makes sure we don’t have to buy a supplemental plan.”
You are again wrong… cite the page in any of the FIVE different plans (with the House version, 3200 being the most famous right now) where this is REMOTELY the case… As part of these plans, they are going to REMOVE $500 BILLION from Medicare/Medicaid… and THEN ADD the supposed 47 million to the role WITHOUT adding more doctors and nurses, etc…
“It makes sure we don’t work all our lives and end up bankrupt because we spend 90% of all our medical expenses in the last 6 months of life and leave our kids with nothing.”
You are literally delusional if you believe this… Medicare is ALREADY 10 TIMES it’s initial projected cost, only a few decades later, and that is BEFORE the boomers hit…
“I am glad to know that you support the new “healthcare initiative”. I guess you listen to both sides also.”
Because I listen to both sides, I can tell you that you are once again… wrong… :rolleyes