the terrorists new lawyer is our president!?

[sellnbama]

Did anyone else feel the cold chill during obama's defending of terrorists,I mean speech today?I think I'm with the past eight years on defense(since we have'nt been attacked).So would anyone explain why you would want to"change" that?How many more terrible decisions must we watch??

[Hoosier4life2005]

Did anyone else feel the cold chill during obama's defending of terrorists,I mean speech today?I think I'm with the past eight years on defense(since we have'nt been attacked).So would anyone explain why you would want to"change" that?How many more terrible decisions must we watch??

Listen, Im all for a non-intervention foreign policy (as our founding fathers said we should have), and Bush and many before him have not been doing that, but with that said, I think it is a joke how these liberals are crying because of torture.

If it takes our CIA to waterboard a terrorist 20 times to get information that could potentionally save one of my family members.. your damn right im going to support that.

Obama should have just kept quite about this whole torture thing, and let the CIA do what they were doing.

[sellnbama]

Its suddenly torture now.Was it torture when clinton had the egyption govt do the same or worse to "enemy combatants".Besides who are we trying to satisfy by not calling them terrorists?I give this president another 6mnths before his zombies will even figure him out.

[Hooch]

Obama simply blows my mind. One day he prides himself in being the sole reason and determining factor for killing 3 Somalian pirates to help the captain, the next day he says waterboarding someone that still lives in the end is torture and we won't have it.

[JakeRodgers]

I gotta say I was damn impressed by Cheney's speech yesterday, too bad he wasn't that bold and forthcoming when he was in office...

[sellnbama]

Jake,
I too have been impressed with his daughter.I have no idea why we did'nt hear from cheney,lord knows bush could've used support in his speeches.It's a shame that what he's calling for in the full report on what was gained from the "torture"technique will probably never be exposed.

[furnishedowner]

"Torture" and "American" in the same sentence turns my stomach. Freedom from torture just has to be the first human right. The most basic human right.

Think about it, guys. If you wouldn't want it done to your own family members it should not be done. Period.

Nothing justifies that assault to our national pride, our character, the very principles we were founded on. Torture hurts America. Torture begets torture. That should be one thing we could all agree on.

Thank God we finally have a president who seems to have a moral compass.

Furnishedowner

[Hoosier4life2005]

"Torture" and "American" in the same sentence turns my stomach. Freedom from torture just has to be the first human right. The most basic human right.

Think about it, guys. If you wouldn't want it done to your own family members it should not be done. Period.

Nothing justifies that assault to our national pride, our character, the very principles we were founded on. Torture hurts America. Torture begets torture. That should be one thing we could all agree on.

Thank God we finally have a president who seems to have a moral compass.

Furnishedowner

Ohh jesus.. where to begin! Obama is a racist who thinks of himself above others.  We all know this. 


First, Obama having a moral compass?  He supports infanticide, this is a fact, check his voting record.

Also, and I REALLY want you to answer this question.  I believe you said you have a daughter if I remember correctly from reading a previous post...

Would you support waterboarding(which IMO is NOT torcher, but interrogation), if it led to them preventing an attack that could possibly kill your daughter?  If you say yes, then you cannot say we shouldnt do it for other peoples lives.  So which is it... not waterboarding a terrorist, or saving your daughters life?  I want an answer.

These are the issues Bush was faced with, and I believe the CIA did a fine job.  Obama is going to change this though.  Thank god, for his MORAL COMPASS!

[Hooch]

Obama's moral compass, huh. That's a very interesting statement.

Obama is heartless hiding behind his rhetoric and attempts to twist the truth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZVf_o1C2nI

Here is the truth of what he feels about killing babies that survived a botched abortion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypDwNpgIUQc

Obamas going to bankrupt the coal industry intentionally for the fraud of man made global warming.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdi4onAQBWQ&eurl=http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/

Obama wants to ban concealed weapons carry laws. In many states it is illegal to open carry so that means no one could take a gun anywhere, even back from the gun shop to your house.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-4jqZSEo0Q&eurl=http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/

Obama caught lying about handgun ban
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhL8aeIsTEo

Obama has a hard time showing up to work, he should have been fired by the people he is representing but they didn't know.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah9W24oMIRc&eurl=http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/

Obamas minister and his hate speeches
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=617eK2XIaLk

Obama agrees with the minister in his own words
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySM63ES8t4U

Rev Wright represents the best of what the black church has to offer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh7xMhsLnac&eurl=http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/2008_10.php

Obama on spreading the wealth and changing the constitution
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck&eurl=http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/2008_10.php

Obama lied about his uncle liberating a concentration camp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhuXPpCGhhM

Obama and the troop surge, his willingness to loose the war to win the presidency
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4XY1SB7FFU

Obamas hero
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6544376472317805809&ei=o9aMSebYOoqsrAKL3_C8Cw&q=democrats%2C+racism&hl=en

It goes on and on.

It sounds like you may have this mental disease of radical extremist liberalism or you are highly uneducated about the political environment due to the lack of attention reported by the main stream media. I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and blame it on the media.

[PositiveOutlook]

Furnishedowner

"Torture" and "American" in the same sentence turns my stomach. Freedom from torture just has to be the first human right. The most basic human right."


That is why you do what you do for a living, and they do what they do...  you don't even have all the information and you've already condemned them...   

"Think about it, guys. If you wouldn't want it done to your own family members it should not be done. Period."


The premise is completely false... waterboarding is NOT torture... do you even really know what this waterboarding entailed?  FYI, we "waterboard" Navy Seals, and other members of the military... are you saying we are "torturing" them?  I wouldn't want my family members put in harms way, and I dare say that if you have children, and one of them was in mortal danger, and the only way to save them was to get information from someone, you are telling me you would just sit on your hands and just plead with the person with the knowledge you need while the innocent child, who did NOTHING to cause the situation is harmed?  This goes contrary to basic instinct... now put it in perspective and just imagine it on a larger scale...

"Nothing justifies that assault to our national pride, our character, the very principles we were founded on. Torture hurts America. Torture begets torture. That should be one thing we could all agree on."


You do know that Obama has maintained this SAME practice as an option for HIMSELF, right?  If he really disagreed with it, WHY does he need it?  Think about it, Obama let's out the information of HOW we get information from the terrorists, so that they can train against it in the future, but refuses to release the information we got as a result of it?... WHY?  If releasing the photo's he was going to would "enflame America's enemies", WHY release the info on the waterboarding, which only PREPARES and EMBOLDENS our enemies...   

So now CIA people in the field, and those making the policies to keep us safe, are put in the position of wondering whether or not their country has their back?  You don't think this will lead to innocent deaths?

"Thank God we finally have a president who seems to have a moral compass."


What moral compass are you referring to?  So, you are OK with Obama ordering the KILLING of the terrorists just not "torturing" them...  WHAT?...        What exactly would you have the CIA do, just keep questioning them and HOPE they give up the information which may or may not lead to additional deaths? 

For the sake of consistency, and to see where you truly are on this.... are you saying that you were are OK with Obama ordering the KILLING of the three pirates to save ONE captain, but NOT OK with Bush ordering "waterboarding", not death, with medical people at the ready, which saved countless other lives?

Furnishedowner, just be glad you aren't faced with the difficult decisions and situations that these people have to make...

BTW, the terrorists don't waterboard their captives... they BEHEAD them!  They are beyond the Geneva convention, and they are literally LAUGHING at us over this...  and THAT turns my stomach!...

[Hooch]

Good points Positive!

Here is another nice and comprehensive video of Obama's moral compass.
http://www.break.com/usercontent/2008/12/Which-Obama-Did-You-Vote-For-614599.html

[JakeRodgers]

furnished owner, was your post meant to be sarcastic?, because it was just ridiculous enough that I dont know how you can actually mean what you just said...

[sellnbama]

Jake,
I think he's one of those obama zombies and the teleprompter spell will take a little longer to wear off.The bush blame is over and its time for all you zombies to admit your great president does'nt have a clue.Maybe in another six months of transforming us into communism ,they'll get it.Meanwhile the rest of us who knew he was the wrong guy will suffer along will our country.

[furnishedowner]

Dang. It's like talking to rabid dogs! That's why I usually just stick to the real estate forums. Oh well...

You hard-liners are on the fringe. You can all agree with each other that President Obama is a racist (!), a terrorist and supports infanticide. Sorry, but that is all just plain wacky. It is as if you are from some other extreme planet.

I, and the MAJORITY of Americans chose Obama because he appeared to be the best of the bunch. Remember, this is a democracy, or tries to be, and the MAJORITY rules.  We voted. I voted. You probably all voted.

Now let's get behind this smart, well-spoken man and let him have his 4 years. He won the election! He's doing a hell of a good job in extremely difficult times. If something doesn't seem to work, he tries something else. The MAJORITY of the country agrees with me on this.

As for waterboarding, hell no, it should not be used and I could not support the use of torture. Don't you get it? Torture makes the victim say ANYTHING to make it stop. Didn't any of you watch the Congressional hearings where the government interrogator testified that he sent numerous memos to the Bush administration decrying the use of waterboarding as ineffective? That no new valid information was gathered? That half the information gleaned was bogus and made up just to GET THEM TO STOP? That regular interrogations had already proven effective? That no one in the Bush administration listened?

So no, I could NOT support the use of waterboarding to "help" my daughter, my son, or anyone else. It is medieval, primitive, demeaning to our country. And ineffective.

If we Americans torture members of other religions, nationalities, or extremist groups, WE CAN EXPECT THEM TO TORTURE CAPTURED AMERICANS. We can not stop crazy extremists from beheading people, they also behead their own in-country enemies. But we can stop the horrible international PR about American atrocities that are inflaming every radical everywhere.

If we are civilized, we have to take the high road here. This will make you all froth at the mouth even more, but former Vice President Cheney and some others should be tried as war criminals in my opinion. He sanctioned TORTURE IN THE NAME OF THE UNITED STATES. MY COUNTRY! How dare he!

Above all, that first right. The right for every human being, no matter whom or where or whatever misguided murderous philosophy he may hold...TO BE FREE FROM TORTURE.

Think about it, guys. A lot of you probably go to church every Sunday. How can you reconcile "Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You" with torture? Let's get back to being Americans. Not barbarians.

Furnishedowner

[Gersh740]

We need to give the president time to figure out all of the hidden trouble that the past administration has failed to tell him about. As with all new presidents we will not be given the full story until obama is well into his 3rd year and by then it will be a foot note. I believe that both obama and cheney made good points. Cheney in his an eye for an eye agenda and obama with his lock em up for life agenda. torturing the wrong person is not the american way. however when i see what they do to our soldiers I'm with cheney. I can't help it but i'm torn between both policies because if you speak to the families of service men in this country you will get a different view. If someone tortures my family member by accident though that's gonna be a BIG problem with me.