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And I showed everyone here YOU’RE A complete bullsh*t artist!!!

Who do you think you’re kidding with this KITCHEN estimate BULLSHT??? That kitchen is a JOKE…We could discuss the different types of cabinets available from knock downs to finished boxes, to plywood to particle board…Counter top materials…Flooring…But that’s the ONLY way you can WIGGLE OUT of this…And I ain’t BITING…This is YOUR project…The NUMBERS YOU used are complete BULLSHT…YOU KNOW IT…WE know it…

STILL NO NUMBERS for that PAULTRY $11,600 left on a project that is STILL GUTTED and needs EVERYTHING from SHEETROCK to Kitchen to doors to floors and on and on…

Nice try…Maybe should should be faxing HALF ORDERS to Lowes and Home Depot!!!

Hey maybe with your 700 credit score and all of that 20% EQUITY you have in your own HOME you can BORROW what you’ll need to finish this DUMP…

$11,600 left in the budget and not even HALF WAY COMPLETE!!!

Still has to SHEET ROCK and ENTIRE 900 sq ft TOTAL GUT home
Buy & Install 15 WINDOWS
Trim them
Buy & Install ALL FLOORING
Buy & INSTALL interior doors
Finish TRIM
Buy & INSTALL a complete KITCHEN
BUILD and INSTALL counter tops in Kitchen and TWO bathrooms
ReHab TWO bathrooms
Finish electrical and fixtures
Finish PLUMBING and Fixtures
Buy & Install Exterior doors
Side the ENTIRE HOME
Mud, Prime, and Paint entire interior

All for $11,600 :bs :bs :bs :bs :bs :bs :bs :bs :bs :bs :bs :bs :bs :bs

Remember the BULLSH*T about TEACHING HIS son…He CAN’T AFFORD to pay for the needed MATERIALS & HELP he needs to finish this dump never mind PAYING installers…

Like I’ve said…This guy is a born BULL SH*T ARTIST…ANYONE can see it…

EXCUSE after EXCUSE…Diversion after diversion…

What a shame…

Imagine what this IDIOT could LEARN here…

He’s got NO CLUE what he’s facing…It’s obvious he’s in complete DENIAL…He’s the type that is never WRONG…EXCEPT THIS TIME…

He BLEW IT,and he BLEW it right in front of people who he LIED TO!!!

Fdjake,

So I take it you don’t you don’t HAVE an explanation for YOUR BAD NUMBERS AGAIN… Without an explantion for your MYSTERY money of $5000 and $3000 (not to mention all the other DISCREPENCIES you haven’t explained), which you are NOT going to be able to fudge NOW, you demonstrate FOR EVERYONE, including the EXPERIENCED investors your ineptitude…

BTW, whether you used 2.5% or 4% the numbers STILL DOESN’T WORK… you are just ADDING to the searchable data on FDjake… OUCH!

HOW FREAKING EMBARASSING… :bs :biglaugh :lol

“STILL NO NUMBERS”

You can have them ANYTIME you want, as soon as YOU pony up with the numbers for the 10’ x 10.5’ kitchen you were also given the specs for… If you want them so bad, PONY up… But with your track record on NUMBERS, I can’t say I blame you… pathetic… :bs :rolleyes

“Imagine what this IDIOT could LEARN here…”

I have… just not from you… but I would put no credence in a guy who says he 20 years remodeling experience, and has SOOO many holes in HIS OWN NUMBERS… and the real funny part is that YOU LEAD US TO IT!.. :banana

You can’t even stand by YOUR OWN NUMBERS… what a SHAMe… :redface

Teach us oh great-in-his-own-mind Fdjake… start with the 10’ x 10.5’ kitchen…

You made the CARDINAL MISTAKE all first time flippers make…YOU TRIED TO DO EVERYTHING YOURSELF!!!

STILL TRYING!!!

You OVER RAN your timeline, and your BUDGET is SCREWED and on top of everything else you are only HALF FINISHED!!!

After ONE YEAR!!!

I MADE MY MONEY…You’ve BLOWN yours…and THAT is a FACT!!!

Now run down to HOME DEPOT with your COUPONS and try and FINISH this project!!

FDjake,

Looks like you’ve thrown in the towel on your BOGUS NUMBERS in the post YOU PROVIDED EVERYONE…

“After ONE YEAR!!”

Straw Man… But nonetheless, ANOTHER demonstration of your math skills… LOL

“I MADE MY MONEY…”

And with that VAST 20 years of experience you can’t even get a handle on YOUR OWN NUMBERS… why would I even care what you think about mine??? If you can’t tell yet… I don’t…

Time will tell what my investment sells for… I am not afraid to let the numbers speak for themself no matter the conclusion, but YOU, after 20 years of experience, ARE AFRAID… not only can’t you BACK-UP your OWN NUMBERS, you can’t even come up with numbers for a 10’ x 10.5’ kitchen when you are GIVEN the specs…

One things for certain, people will be watching anytime you post numbers now and doing a double-take…

“Now run down to HOME DEPOT with your COUPONS and try and FINISH this project!!”

You mean like YOUR $45 Craigslist find??? LOL… :biglaugh :lol you don’t need coupons when you’re dealing with the CONTRACTOR DEPARTMENT… but I guess your 20 years experience didn’t tell you THAT either…

You may be USED to people backing down to your bullying tactics, but don’t expect me to… :biggrin you don’t INTIMIDATE me in the least, Fdjake, which is what I think REALLY pisses you off… it’s your character…

Nice try nit wit…

You ATTEMPTED to pass yourself off as a PRO REHABBER…This is the same PRO REHABBER who’s ORIGINAL 6 month carrying costs on this project were $2500…So with 11 months and change in on this STILL GUTTED, STILL UNFINISHED project, we can use YOUR NUMBERS and know your holding costs will be well OVER $5000 on this little dump.

As to your pathetic attempt to debate a 10X10.5 kitchen estimate???
That’s a joke…You say you gave me ALL THE SPECS???
REALLY??? Because I didn’t see the most important measurement in any kitchen estimate…The DISTANCE from the corner wall to the CENTER of the window over the kitchen sink and the SIZE (width) of that window!! As any REAL CONTRACTOR knows, this distance tells you what SIZE sink base you need and the SPACE that base will take determines what’s left for other cabs. It also determines the SIZES for the wall cabs NEXT to that window…It also determines what size and type of CORNER Cabinet you’ll be using. The remaining base cabinets are WHAT??? Draw boxes???..slide out trash containers??? So what are we comparing??? It’s a JOKE and a patheric attempt to DIVERT attention from your BLOWN OUT BUDGET!!! ONLY an IDIOT would ask such a question and not give these measurements.

The ONLY ESTIMATE THAT MATTERS HERE IS YOURS!!!
and We ALREADY HAVE THAT…$3500 to $6000 for the Cabs and counter tops!!! Those are YOUR numbers!!! Gee, it looks like YOU may have a MATH Problem!! That $3500 DID NOT include FLOORING or APPLIANCES for this kitchen…

So lets use YOUR NUMBERS and plug them into this project…

$11,600 remaining in your budget MINUS $6000 because you said you’ll now be BUYING those Cabs instead of BUILDING them YOURSELF… plus we’ll add in the APPLIANCES. the counter tops, sink, the FLOORING, Light fixtures, new WINDOW, DRY WALL, prime and PAINT. plus PROPER HINGES, hardware and code compliant electric outlets and swithces!!!

ALL done for $6000!!! YOU ARE SCREWED…This budget is a COMPLETE JOKE!!!

THAT LEAVES YOU…$8100!!!

Now all POSITIVE needs to do with that $8100 is the following…

SIDE the ENTIRE HOUSE!!!
DRY WALL THE rest of the 900 sq ft home!!
Buy & Install FLOORING in every remaining room!!!
He NEVER told us what his costs were to demo TWO chimneys, repair /strip the roof, and then RE-ROOF the entire home???
FINISH PLUMBING
STILL not a CENT mentioned for the INTERIOR DOORS for this 3 bedroom / 2 bathroom, 900 sq ft home that was a total GUT???
FINISH ELECTRIC to include ALL interior lighting fixtures, outlets and switches
Removal and Installation of 14 NEW windows!!!
Interior trim
Prime and Paint
Odds and ends

What this DOPE doesn’t understand about INVESTING could fill this HALF FINISHED House of his…

Case in point…Let’s review that kitchen I posted pics of and REALLY look at the INVESTORS way of dealing with issues VS POSITIVES way!!!

First up…That veneer brick so many people put on their kitchen walls in the 70’s…POSITIVE said that HAD TO COME OUT…It was a DESIGN DISASTER to leave it there…OH REALLY??? Well here’s how an INVESTOR looks at these issues…As an INVESTOR you want to solve a DESIGN problem at the lowset cost possible…This isn’t a STRUCTURAL PROBLEM or a SAFETY ISSUE…It’s astetics…That brick was installed OVER the formica backsplashes that ran all the way up to the bottom of the wall cabinets and installed into METAL edge trim which surrounds any exposed ends. Anyone that has ever ATTEMPTED to remove 30 year old FORMICA from a WALL knows you run the risk of damaging that wall surface…So a DECISION must be made (OBVIOUSLY DECISIONS are NOT Positive’s strength) Do you spend the TIME and money ripping out a completely sound back wall of your kitchen, or do you ask yourself the most important question an INVESTOR can ask???

WILL THAT BRICK BACK SPLASH KEEP THIS HOUSE FROM SELLING???

I decided it would NOT and it was simply PAINTED…BRICK RED…It cost me $10 for the paint and LITERALLY 20 mnutes time…DONE!!!

NOW the POSITIVE way of addressing that would have been to RIP it OUT, possibly damaging the wall (formica adhesive from the 70’s ain’t easy to remove) Then, LIKE HIS ENTIRE PROJECT…a SIMPLE completely acceptable solution like PAINT (at least to EVERYONE HERE) would be turned into a much LONGER (see the PATTERN HERE) repair and at a much higher price…TIME IS MONEY…Apparently that concept is MEANINGLESS to him!!

As INVESTORS we ask ourselves??..Will someone PAY MORE for this home because I spent $$$$$$ and TIME on this BACKSPLASH???
The new OWNERS didn’t HESITATE to buy this home with that old brick sitting right there with new paint on it!!! AS a matter of FACT the people who looked at the home actually liked it…It was a comment the realtor and I heard a few times!!

I WIN that one…Hands down…THE CHECKS IN THE BANK…DONE!!

Next up…His complete DISGUST with a simple valance that connects the two wall cabinets over the sink???
Here’s a CLASSIC example of a guy who will NEVER make money FLIPPING homes…The way that simple valance was originaly built makes REMOVING IT a TIME CONSUMING process…The valance is actually the TOP RAIL of BOTH wall cabinets…In addition, a piece of CROWN MOLDING is applied to it…SO…Removing that 3 foot piece of wood involves cutting it perfectly against the cabinets, thus EXPOSING the end grain because remaining corner of the cab is cut on a 45. And having to remove and replace the crown molding on the entire front of this kitchen and dealing with potential damage to the textured ceiling…I DID think about removing it…It would have looked a bit better with new crown wrapping both boxes…

BUT FOR WHAT??? AS an INVESTOR you ask yourself…Is a FIRST TIME, entry level, home BUYER going to CARE or even NOTICE???
THEY DID’T!!! They, and the INVESTORS here didn’t mind, in fact they LOVED this kitchen…It cost me a FRACTION of what a tear out would have, and it took days to complete!!! Yep the TILE was expensive…That’s what the BUYERS wanted…At a $70K+++++ PROFIT…They could have put GOLD LEAF TILE on that floor for all I cared. You don’t ARGUE these points when someone is putting $70+ in your hand. THE HOUSE SOLD just DAYS after it went on the market…We had a 3 buyers total…The first one wanted the house BEFORE it was even listed…with 2 others buyers, I’m sure the EXACT date of an accepted and signed sales agreement could have been off by a day or two…This come down to getting CALLS from your realtor telling you they have a SIGNED Offer and YOU getting to their office to ACCEPT it…Could a few days pass between??? YES!!..ESPECIALLY if you’re waiting to see OTHER OFFERS!!!..

We all know the REAL STORY HERE…

These TRIVIAL details are thrown out because it’s KILLING Positive that his project has now been PROVEN to be NO WHERE NEAR WHAT HE claimed it was.

As any EXPERIENCED INVESTOR knows the EXACT numbers in ANY investment NEVER come out to $3000 or $4000 or $500 ROUND NUMBERS…The ACTUAL PROCEEDS on the HUD 1 forms and YOUR CHECK are right down to PENNIES…with closing costs, real estate taxes, tax stamps, recording fee’s, title work…ONLY an IDIOT or someone that NEVER DID THIS would question this…I originally posted this as a outline for a quick and easy Kitchen rehab…LOSER, tried to twist it in a LOSING attempt to hide from HIS NUMBERS!!!

SO…Positive is down to $8000 in his budget…He’s STILL not even at the DRYWALL stage…AND…He’s looking down the barrel of the ONE YEAR MARK!!!

And I’m the one that doesn’t know what I’m doing???

I’m closing on a REAL DUMP within the next 2 weeks…I’ll post some pics for you guy’s and run you through everything…I’ll show you how to MAKE MONEY on a property that is 100 years old and STILL doesn’t need ANYWHERE NEAR what the TEAR DOWN Positive blew his money on does…

Stay TUNED POSITIVE…SCHOOL STARTS FOR YOU IN 2 WEEKS!!!
Shut your MOUTH you might LEARN something…God knows you NEED TO!!!

$8000 grand left and HALF FINISHED…

Hey…NEW POSITIVE NIC NAME…HALF FINISHED HALF @SS!!

Jake, I think one of the best parts is he hasn’t even factored in his time and the money he could have been making somewhere else. As we know in this business time is money. I know Jake doesn’t work for free, I know I don’t. It looks like Positive does though.

Positive, Is your time not worth anything?

msq7163,

“Positive, Is your time not worth anything?”

Yes it is… and that will be factored in… but just like those who rent their houses put their own time in to fix up the place, or pay someone else to do it, unless they cash out and then pay interest on it, your payback is what you get out of it…

So my payback will be what I get out of it…

And since you’ve chimed in, and have been following along, I’m curious as to your thoughts on FDjake’s MULTIPLE dollar discrepancies in his deal that was done AND sold… is that something you expect to get from a person with 20 years rehabbing experience???

Fdjake,

“$3500 to $6000 for the Cabs and counter tops!!!”

So, let’s get this right, you are SOOO desperate at this point BECAUSE you CAN’T make any sense of YOUR OWN NUMBERS, from a guy with 20 years rehabbing experience, that you have to go back to October 2007, almost a year BEFORE the property I actually bought to get numbers from a deal we ended up NOT getting???

And the REALLY pathetic thing is YOUR job is supposedly done AND sold, so you should be ABLE to explain ALL THOSE DISCREPANCIES no problem… But for some reason you CAN’T, and you don’t even have an EXPLANATION for this, so you’ll go back and use the numbers from a deal WE ENDED UP NOT GETTING to our current deal… FYI, genius, THAT kitchen was an EAT-IN kitchen, was a U-Shaped kitchen (countertops on three walls) and was a LARGER Kitchen… Did you not also see the 1120sf? the kitchen was the LARGEST room in the house…

Very clever putting “$3500 to $6000” instead of the 3.5K to 6.5K like it reads to make it harder to do a search. Didn’t work though… What do you think that says to EVERYONE that you would try to take numbers from a post WITH A DATE of OCTOBER 2007, almost a YEAR BEFORE we bought our current property?.. :bs

For EVERYONE ELSE, here is the post(s) he took the numbers from…

Real Estate Investing / Carlton Sheets, Beginners, Courses, Gurus, General Forum / First deal… looking to cover bases - REPLIES #1 & #3

“That’s a joke…You say you gave me ALL THE SPECS???
REALLY??? Because I didn’t see the most important measurement in any kitchen estimate…The DISTANCE from the corner wall to the CENTER of the window over the kitchen sink!!! As any REAL CONTRACTOR knows this distance tells you what SIZE sink base you need and the SPACE that base will take determines what’s left for other cabs…It also determines what size and type of CORNER Cabinet you’ll be using. The remaining base cabinets are WHAT??? Draw boxes???..slide out garage containers??? So what are we comparing??? It’s a JOKE and a patheric attempt to DIVERT attention from your BLOWN OUT BUDGET!!!”

Oh, I see… you want me to design it FOR you too??? After the mutt you lead us all too, I don’t blame you… Actually I GAVE you the footprint, L-Shaped (7’ x 10’), and for cabinetry all you need is the LF price to give you a base price… On a house this size, and pre-1990, you will VERY RARELY find a kitchen without a window in the kitchen… and it will CUSTOMARILY be on the LARGEST DIMENSION WALL (kind of like in your kitchen below). Mr. 20 years of experience doesn’t KNOW this??? Stoves and/or Refrigerators are 9x out of 10 located on the SMALLER DIMENSION WALL in an L-Shaped kitchen (kind of like in your kitchen below)… There are DESIGN reasons for this which you are OBVIOUSLY not aware of with ALL YOUR EXPERIENCE… It’s becoming more and more obvious, experience at collecting ESTIMATES.

YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT… So STOP pretending you do…

But to remove yet ANOTHER straw man for you, I’ll do the work FOR YOU even GIVE YOU the design AND the cab sizes… so now all you have to do is PRICE the cabs and countertop…

Along the 10’ wall (window centered as it USUALLY IS)

BASE CABS
CBLS36 (CB stands for Corner Base, LS stands for Lazy Susan)
B12 (with garbage pull-out)
SB27 (SB stands for Sink Base)
B21
(dishwasher is 24")

UPPERS
CC2430
2 - W1530
W3930

Along the 7’ wall…

BASE
The CBLS36 wraps to this wall
DB18 (DB stands for Drawer Bank)
Stove is located on this wall along w/3" spacer to right of stove next to CBLS36

UPPERS
the CC2430 wraps this wall
2 - W1530
MC3015 (MC stands for Micro-Cab)

OPPOSITE WALL
P3384 (P stands for Pantry - this is an OPEN pantry)
W33 (Top of Frig)
1.5" 84" End Panel

Matching Crown

Counterop will be one piece 120’ x 39" and one piece 19"…

So, let’s see what you’ve got, now that all the work has been done FOR YOU… :rolleyes

“Will someone PAY MORE for this home because I spent $$$$$$ and TIME on this BACKSPLASH??”

Dude, you were PAINTING THE WALLS ANYWAY… two sheets of sheetrock and some tape/spackle was all that was needed… and that’s assuming that you HAD to replace the sheetrock, as ALOT of time those faux brick backsplashes are spot-glued on, just like mirrored backsplashes and depending on how old, the glue can sometimes just be scraped off with a spackle blade… but INSTEAD, you ended up with FIVE separate design elements… IOW, a mutt… just ASK your DESIGNER friend if you don’t believe me… The money you spent on the paint SHOULD have been spent on the sheetrock to do it right… and ANYONE who has done ANY painting knows very well that you took MORE than 20 minutes to paint those TWO walls… even using a roller first, and then going back to fill-in the nooks and crannies took longer than 20 minutes… you’re not kidding anyone with that…

“They new OWNERS didn’t HESITATE to buy this home with that old brick sitting right there with new paint on it!!! AS a matter of FACT the people who looked at the home really liked it…It was a comment the realtor heard a few times!! Go figure…”

Those are just words from you NOW Fdjake… your words don’t have a great track record as we can see just from this ONE thread… pardon me if I don’t believe you…

It was an rookie mistake… and under normal circumstances, I wouldn’t have even brought it up because you were obviously proud of it… but you make it your MISSION to find fault in others, and it little comeuppance was due you, as you use your 20 years of experience as a battering ram to somehow prove you know-it-all…

The sad thing is, you have intelligence and I do believe you have things to offer… but your pride and arrogance get in the way so many times that what you DO have to pass on is muddled in your deceptions… Is THAT how you want to be remembered???

NOONE is perfect and NOONE knows it all… and the ones usually telling you they do are usually the ones lacking in the same…

If I ultimately end up being wrong and miss things on my first flip, I’ll be the FIRST to tell you… The numbers WILL speak for themself… Being in business for myself, I KNOW this… One of the reasons WHY I am doing this (and I told you this before) was so I could understand it from start to finish… I KNOW how to remodel, but I’ve never done a flip before…

And when it is done and sold/rented/LO’d… I WILL provide all the details including Before and After Pics… I am not WORRIED AT ALL about being critiqued on the final results of this deal…

Positive,

WE ALREADY KNOW YOU’RE WRONG!!!

I’ll leave you with some advice I got from a very wealthy investor who got me started in real estate.

These were his EXACT words…

“Kid…You’re not finishing these houses for YOU to live in. Your finishing them to SELL, and you can’t SELL THEM until they’re FINISHED.”

AS far as your painting estimate on that back splash…Try a DEEP PILE roller used for textured surfaces next time you’re painting brick. It covers 95% of EVERYTHING first pass and the only thing left is some touch up on some grout lines…But you’d have to actually REHABBED some homes to know this!!

As far as MY WORDS not having a great track record???

Buddy…Just admit it…You’ve been telling us that this project was gonna be done for $37K as of a few DAYS ago…All I did was plug in YOUR numbers…It’s OBVIOUS at this point that you FLAT OUT LIED about your situation and your numbers…So please spare me the TRACK RECORD speech…At least I HAVE a track record…You’re in NO MANS LAND on this project…

MSQ7163,

He’s got SO MUCH TIME in this dump and so much STILL left out of his estimates that he would have spent MORE TIME with his family and made MORE MONEY if he was FLIPPING BURGERS on weekends!!! :biggrin :biggrin

But he STILL has TIME to give us a cabinet list for a house we’ll never lay eyes on or give a sh*t about!!

Can you say…TIME MANAGEMENT???

Fdjake,

“But he STILL has TIME to give us a cabinet list for a house we’ll never lay eyes on or give a sh*t about!!”

As we’ve seen, it doesn’t take me as long to post as it does your FDjake… as a matter of FACT, according to the numbers, I am 35% MORE efficient than YOU… It’s called MULTI-TASKING…

The cabinet list ALREADY EXISTED… I added the descriptions to the right of them, because if you don’t know SIMPLE design, you were not going to know what they meant… As we’ve seen, you NEED hand-holding on this… you can’t even come up with pricing for a simple 10’ x 10.5’ kitchen even AFTER being given the specs AND the footprint… but your 20 years experience DOESN’T include BASIC design concepts… and this from a FRAMER and a FOUNDATION man… lol…

Fdjake,

“Try a DEEP PILE roller used for textured surfaces next time you’re painting brick. It covers 95% of EVERYTHING first pass and the only thing left is some touch up on some grout lines…Works like a charm.”

Obviously… :rolleyes but you STILL had to go back to do touch-up on the gout lines AND below the upper cabs AND around the window AND the corner AND at both ends of the backsplash… 20 minutes??? nice try…

Nice to know you brought you son along for the fun…

“Kid…You’re not finishing these houses for YOU to live in. Your finishing them to SELL, and you can’t SELL THEM until they’re FINISHED.”

Excellent advice… I’ll add it to my learning curve… although I already knew it…

“In telling us that this project was gonna be done for $37K as of a few DAYS ago…All I did was plug in YOUR numbers…It’s OBVIOUS at this point that you were being LESS than honest with your situation and your numbers…So please spare me the TRACK RECORD speech…”

I said I’ll be into it for $37K… that’s what it looks like… I’m telling you as it is… do I leave in the possibility that I can be wrong on this… ABSOLUTLEY… which is WHY I will post the numbers when all is said and done, and the numbers WILL speak for themself whether or not it was a good investment…

“At least I HAVE a track record…You’re in NO MANS LAND on this project…”

Unfortunately, I don’t know you personally, I can only read what you write… The only track record I have of you is what you post… and what you do is PURPOSELY mislead people (like you just did with trying to use the wrong numbers from a different house) and give straw man after straw man…

You CANNOT escape the fact that you DO NOT answer what is put to you… I answer you POINT BY POINT… the fact that you don’t think people see this ESPECIALLY when you have MULTIPLE discrepancies in a deal that was done AND sold, is just ludicrous… and just BACKS-UP my assertion… you can prove it wrong anytime…

The silence on these things is telling…

You tell us ALL THE TIME that you buy CASH, but within the past few months, in one thread, you told Christopher that you were going to give him your next three deals… If you buy CASH, what do you need Christopher for??? He deals in mortgages… On top of that, DID you actually give Christopher the next three deals??? If so, how can you keep telling us that you buy cash? If not, then you lied to him too!.. you trap yourself in your own words…

Even after I GAVE you the design and sizes, you STILL can’t put together pricing on a 10’ x 10.5’ kitchen??? Like I said, I was doing this to SHOW you regional differences in pricing… and the KICKER is, the BRAND NEW kitchen I will put in, will be LESS than what YOU put into your minor makeover below…

Are you going to tell me that in New England (remember, I lived in NJ), that a plumber is going to re-plumb out a 875-900sf house AND install the fixtures for $2000??? I KNOW better…

In any case, since you won’t BACK-UP your discrepancies in your OWN NUMBERS, that you used as a BASIS for your arguments, and you WON’T provide the numbers for the 10’ x 10.5’ kitchen, and you won’t… I could go on and on… You won’t, you won’t, you won’t… it makes it hard for me to take you seriously when you try to arrogantly use your 20 years rehabbing experience line…

Answering these things INCREASES your credibility… NOT answering them, calls into QUESTION your credibility, especially when they are YOUR NUMBERS you are using as a basis for your argument…

When the job is done, like I said, I will provide all the info, take any lumps, if any, in the analysis, and learn from it, which is what our goal was for the first one - learning and making some money (along with some other personal goals)…

UNTIL then, I guess there really is no reason to discuss this anymore, as you refuse to be held accountable… I don’t…

Positive, do you have any pictures of jobs you have done to prove that you are actually in the renovation business?

msq7163,

“Positive, do you have any pictures of jobs you have done to prove that you are actually in the renovation business?”

LOL… HUNDREDS of pictures… but a picture would prove I was in the remodeling business??? How about my LLC and FEIN, leases of buildings I’ve rented… Machinery purchase receipts, Photo’s of home/trade shows… Corian Fabricator Certification… reference letters from satisfied clients… List of Suppliers… Bank Accounts… Cancelled checks to suppliers… Something a little more concrete… :rolleyes

Other than home/trade shows, we don’t advertise and the rest of my business comes from referrals…

Now, do you have an answer to MY question…

“And since you’ve chimed in, and have been following along, I’m curious as to your thoughts on FDjake’s MULTIPLE dollar discrepancies in his deal that was done AND sold… is that something you expect to get from a person with 20 years rehabbing experience???”

“Nice to know you brought your son along for the fun.”

I’d hate to be your son…This poor kid can look forward to about a 6 month PRISON SENTENCE at this little SH*T HOLE you BURIED YOURSELF IN while you TEACH him how to rehab!!! OH MY GOD…That turns my stomach just thinking about it.

Now we have OTHER members here questioning you about your TIME on this flip and asking if you even have pictures of your rehabs.

Hundreds of PICTURES HUH??? But like the prices for the ROOF, The SIDING, the KITCHEN, The DRYWALL, the LIGHT FIXTURES, the PLUMBING FIXTURES, the FLOORING, the interior DOORS, you don’t PRODUCE THEM???

I WONDER WHY???

Why would a PRO CONTRACTOR that can whip up a estimate on a 10 X 10 foot kitchen with his great MULTI TASKING skills in SECONDS be so RELUCTANT to supply PRICES for things this house OBVIOUSLY STILL NEEDS???

OH I know…IF he supplies those numbers…HIS BUDGET IS GONE and we all know he’s been LYING to us!!

LYING…That’s what I’ve been accusing you of doing on this flip for MONTHS…and NOW we ALL know it’s 100% TRUE!!!. There is NO WAY on EARTH you bring this PIG in for what you said it would cost… But what REALLY blows MY MIND is you keep telling us what a GREAT ESTIMATOR you are and how I can’t even price a simple KITCHEN???

Hey sh*thead…I’m not the IDIOT who purchased a FALLING IN, TERMITE INFESTED DUMP that I am now BURIED IN, and only HALF finished… after ONE FULL YEAR!!!

You’ve tried everything you could to DIVERT ATTENTION on this JOKE of a project…BUT NO ONE HERE IS BITING!!!

Now we’re on to WHY I BUY PROPERTIES WITH CASH???

HINT…

BECAUSE I CAN!!! And NO I haven’t used Chris on a single deal…I don’t believe Chris REALLY expected me to call him (but I guess I could FLY OUT TO TEXAS for my closings :rolleyes) …He certainly hasn’t ASKED WHY (but he really DOES THIS for a living)…ONLY YOU…The REICLUB resident IDIOT asked!! This is becoming a real COMEDY SHOW NOW…It’s like watching a man grab at anything he can while he falls into the abyss!!!

With only 20% equity in your OWN home as of 2008 (LESS now with the current market slide)…

You can’t even buy a property with a HELOC or even GET ONE these days!!!

WE may be on to something here!!! MAYBE this project isn’t FINISHED, and POSITIVE has so much TIME on his hands…Because he’s running out of MONEY!!! We know with ONLY 20% equity in 2008 :shocked He’s DEFINITELY UNDER that level in 2009…Then add in a terrible market for ANYONE connected to construction and…

That would explain a LOT!!! The bargain material CRAIGSLIST shopping, the half orders to Home Depot and Lowe’s, the total LACK of any PROGRESS on this project in a year!!! And his ability to spend COUNTLESS time here ARGUING as his UNFINISHED, GUTTED flip SITS!!!

The REALLY SAD thing here is this…

I tried to share some experience with this guy…I took TIME to explain how I made over $70,000 on a project in about 30 days…I gave DETAILED REASONS why certain thing were done and NOT done trying to help him LEARN…But you get NO RETURN with this guy…

He just CAN NOT admit…I screwed up…I’m OVER TIME, OVER BUDGET…I got wrapped up in the arguing…INSTEAD OF LISTENING…What can I do now, and what do I have to be aware of as I FINISH this flip???..But we won’t get that from him…He’s incapable of it.

I could help this guy…He’s made all the NEW GUY mistakes…A project this BIG and a home that needed this much work is EXACTLY what you don’t go NEAR as a new investor.

Unfortunately for POSITIVE he has learned a very EXPENSIVE & TIME CONSUMING LESSON…By the time he’s finished he’ll have probably worked for MINIMUM WAGE for over a year!! The worst part is still out there…SELLING this home!

Positive:

Jake has no reason to lie he has helped numerous posters on this site. Numerous people have vouched for Jake and what he has done. Even moderators have stated he isn’t giving us BS.

Now back to your renovation business, yes all of that is sufficient as well but how hard is it to post a before and after of the work you have done?

Fdjake,

“I’d hate to be your son…This poor kid can look forward to about a 6 month PRISON SENTENCE at this little SH*T HOLE you BURIED YOURSELF IN while you TEACH him how to rehab!!! OH MY GOD…That turns my stomach just thinking about it.”

What an infantile thing to say… Tell you what Jokester, leave my son out of the conversation…

“Now we have OTHER members here questioning you about your TIME on this flip and asking if you even have pictures of your rehabs”

A pic to prove I’m the rehab business… that makes LOTS of sense… :rolleyes :bs :biglaugh :lol

“Hundreds of PICTURES HUH??? But like the prices for the ROOF, The SIDING, the KITCHEN, The DRYWALL, the LIGHT FIXTURES, the PLUMBING FIXTURES, the FLOORING, the interior DOORS, you don’t PRODUCE THEM??? I WONDER WHY??”

Fdjake… I’m not insecure like you… All I see it TALK from you… For all I know, and based on YOUR OWN BOGUS numbers for a project YOU LEAD US TO, which is SUPPOSED to be done AND sold, you REALLY don’t have a leg to stand on here… :bs

You KNOW why I am not giving you the numbers… I TOLD YOU MULTIPLE TIMES… I will be HAPPY to give you the numbers ONCE YOU pony up with the 10’ x 10.5’ kitchen, which you had to be HAND-HELD and given the design AND sizes, along with the style and footprint…

DO YOU REALLY THINK YOU ARE FOOLING ANYONE??? If you want the rest of MY numbers so bad, you KNOW what to do… You don’t think the people reading this are wondering why you won’t do it???

YOU hold ALL the POWER to get the REST of those numbers (notice I said REST, because I am the only between us providing ANYTHING) so you could PROVE ME WRONG… and yet you let a simple 10’ x 10.5’ kitchen estimate, that you had to be HAND-HELD through with your 20 years experience STOP YOU!!! Hmmm… I wonder WHY?.. LOL… :bs :biglaugh :lol

“And NO I haven’t used Chris on a single deal…I don’t believe Chris REALLY expected me to call him (but I guess I could FLY OUT TO TEXAS for my closings )”

Of course not! Your word means very little, and you provided ANOTHER example of that… Mr. 20 years doesn’t know you don’t have to fly to Texas to close a deal??? And yet, it’s done ALL THE TIME!!! :biglaugh :lol

“But what REALLY blows MY MIND is you keep telling us what a GREAT ESTIMATOR you are and how I can’t even price a simple KITCHEN???”

That’s because you aren’t doing it, as usual… FIRST, it was “I don’t have enough information”, even though the information you ASKED for is STANDARD… and you CLAIM to be a framer and foundation guy… get that, A FRAMER AND A FOUNDATION GUY… :biglaugh :lol LOL… well, once again, we see ANOTHER of your assertions go poof up in smoke…

:redface :redfaceHOW FREAKING EMBARASSING! :redface :redface

That will be the last on this FDjake… claiming to have 20 years experience, and then LEADING US TO a mutt of a kitchen, where it is revealed YOUR BOGUS NUMBERS on a supposed done AND sold deal, and yet having NO EXPLANATION for OVERPAYING for tile work and $5000 & $3000 discrepancies… who the heck cares what you think about ANYTHING real estate related???

msq7163,

“Jake has no reason to lie he has helped numerous posters on this site. Numerous people have vouched for Jake and what he has done.”

I thought you said you were reading along on this… No reason to lie??? Never mind all the other threads beyond this one where it was DOCUMENTED he lies, fabricates and misleads… Let’s put that aside and focus on this thread… If he has no reason to lie, HOW do you explain the MULTIPLE discrepancies on the deal HE LEAD US TO in this thread??? On a deal that is SUPPOSEDLY done AND sold??? Common sense TELLS YOU that if it is SOLD, he should be able to come up with an explanation for the MULTIPLE discrepancies in his post… But he HAS NO EXPLANATION supposedly having 20 year rehabbing experience… Makes NO SENSE… Maybe you can explain it for him…

“Even moderators have stated he isn’t giving us BS.”

Beem on this site since October 2007, I never read anything like that… Not saying they haven’t, but I would have to know WHICH moderator said that to do a search… I read he was booted once before, but for some reason (I think I’ll PM the moderators on this), he CONTINUALLY breaks the first RULE of posting on this site, and is not held accountable… I believe Hooch was recently booted for this…

“Now back to your renovation business, yes all of that is sufficient as well but how hard is it to post a before and after of the work you have done?”

Not hard at all… I don’t just don’t see how a pic gives confirmation of me being in business?? What EXACTLY are you intimating?

I hope this LOSER understands he is kidding NO ONE HERE…NOT a SINGLE person here believes this UTTER GARBAGE he spews.

I absolutely LOVE how he refuses to provide the numbers WE ALL KNOW completely BLOW OUT HIS REMAINING BUDGET.

Now we have a refusal to post ANY before and after pictures of his work.

He’s says it won’t PROVE anything???

It think you guy’s are right…He probably lives in the basement at his parents house and DREAMS of being a REAL ESTATE investor!!! :biggrin :biggrin :biggrin :biggrin :biggrin :biggrin

This is without DOUBT the BIGGEST BS ARTIST ON THIS SITE!!!

He can’t even post a few pics of his work…Can’t post pricing for the unfinished portion of HIS PROPERTY…

He REFUSES to post HIS PRICES, from HIS REGION of the country. Even though he tells me he lived in NJ and KNOWS prices are higher in New England. OK…prices ARE high in New England…WHY WOULD YOU WANT ME TO PRICE Y O U R kitchen at NEW ENGLAND prices???

Again…EVERY INVESTOR here see’s this side show…I keep him going because he has FINALLY started to disclose bits and pieces of this BS story. WE can all see the REAL picture here…Apparently HE can’t.

He also REFUSES to even MENTION WHERE in this country he lives…So all we’re asking for is HIS numbers on what WE KNOW he hasn’t completed on this project.

We won’t get them because that will PROVE he has lied all along about the final COST of his rehab.

Instead he ARGUES about why I don’t FLY to TEXAS to FINANCE properties I can pay CASH for!!! He says it’s done EVERYDAY…but I don’t know a single investor in New England flying to TEXAS to finance homes purchased in Massachusetts???

I actually wonder if he has a MENTAL PROBLEM…and I’m NOT joking…There is DEFINITELY something wrong with this guy…NO normal person responds to simple questions with QUESTIONS about flying to TEXAS for financing not needed!!!

There’s a screw loose here.

I think the reason the moderators have let this play out is because it’s turning into a VERY GOOD LESSON on DUE DILIGENCE. WE have a SO CALLED investor here that has laid out a his costs on an investment that has taken MUCH, MUCH LONGER than expected…Instead of just acknowledging mistakes and problems. This guy has given every excuse and diversion in the book.
My guess is the moderators here are letting this paly out so new investors can learn to spot these people and thus save them HUGE amounts of MONEY and LOST TIME.

This is the TRUE value in this SITE…REAL and even FAKE investors sink or swim on their own merit.

This is the BEST REAL ESTATE SITE ANYWHERE!!!

Fdjake,

“He can’t even post a few pics of his work…Can’t post pricing forthe unfinished portion of HIS PROPERTY…”

Tell you what, FDjake… to show everyone how full of it you are, I’ll post BOTH… a 2 for 1, if you will… as I said, all YOU have to do is price out the 10’ x 10.5’ kitchen… you know, the one you had to be HAND-HELD through. with 20 years rehabbing experience… :biglaugh :lol AND IT’S ALL YOURS… so when you don’t do it AGAIN… you’re disappointing msq7163 in the process… :rolleyes

“WHY WOULD YOU WANT ME TO PRICE Y O U R kitchen at NEW ENGLAND prices.”

You’ll see… what ard you AFRAID of… someone calls you on your BS and you wimper away with the same straw man after straw man… Like I said, YOU hold the POWER to get now TWO different things, the numbers YOU want and the Photo’s to boot… so put up or shut-up… you could have done this a dozen or more posts ago… but I WONDER WHY when you have all the power to get what you want… Hmmm…

“Instead he ARGUES about why I don’t FLY to TEXAS to FINANCE properties I can pay CASH for!!!”

Actually, YOU were the one who brought up flying to Texas… you are arguing with yourself!.. :banana and I have a “mental problem”… :bs :biglaugh :lol

“He also REFUSES to even MENTION WHERE in this country he lives”

I don’t share personal information on the internet… You HIDE your email, right?

“…NO normal person responds to simple questions with QUESTIONS about flying to TEXAS for financing not needed!!!”

YOU. Mr. 20 years experience, actually were the one to BRING IT UP as a REASON not to work with Christopher… With all your 20 years experience, you SHOULD HAVE KNOWN this wasn’t needed, so bringing it up SHOWED your incompetence or just ANOTHER straw man… which was it???.. :bs :biglaugh :lol