"We are not actually talking about healthcare, we are talking about health insurance. Up until recently, we were talking about healthcare, not health insurance... "The question is who pays for the healthcare that we get. The fact that the people that don’t have health insurance use emergency rooms is justification that we do need a public option."Not if it costs us more money... which EVERY examination of this has shown that it does... Not to mention that people on Medicaid USE the emergency room, so they don't HAVE TO schedule an appointment with a private doctor who accepts Medicaid. It is ABUSED everyday by the people WITH this insurance... The less you pay for something, the MORE you use it... Simple FACT of life..."The problem to solve is that everybody is not covered by insurance."This problem is ALREADY solved... noone can be turned away for healthcare at the hospital... "The solution is to provide a safety net that no one will fall below."The safety net is ALREADY there... again, they cannot turn you away for care... On top of this, when you call to make arrangements to pay (assuming they would even do this), the hospital is REQUIRED to accept what you can pay..."That is the socialized part of it. Even you are for that. So why don’t you want to say that." & "You just used the fact that people use socialized medicine to justify why we don’t need socialized medicine."No, that is the SUBSIDIZED part... by going single-payer, or putting us on the path to single-payer, THAT is socialized healthcare... MEANING the GOVERNMENT makes the decisions...Once you REMOVE the government as referee between the insurance company and you, THEY BECOME the problem and you have noone to referee... Just ask the THOUSANDS of people who come to the USA for healthcare each year... Does this not tell you anything???Not to mention that this takes away the CHOICE of whether you want insurance or not...
So we agree, global warming is based on fear...
No, Reagan DEMONSTRATED how GOVERNMNENT IS THE PROBLEM... Regan cut taxes ACROSS the board, REVENUES to the government DRAMATICALLY INCREASED... but the GOVERNMENT SPENT IT... Instead of paying down our debt with it... THEY found ways, BOTH PARTIES, to WASTE it... this continues to this day... which is WHY an ever-expanding government is the problem...
No, I believe what I believe, BECAUSE I read history, and we are watching happen to our country EXACTLY what our FOUNDING FATHERS WARNED against... simple as that...
"What we had were panhandlers. When you talked to them they were people down on their luck and people that were just not that smart but they were all there."So, it is your assertion that all homeless prior to Reagan were "all there" and after, not so much..."The ones now to the man are mentally ill."So now all homeless people are mentally ill to the man? If this is your view, then you don't have much interaction with the homeless..."These are a different type of person on the street. Before Reagan they were picked up and taken care of in mental institutions."You obvioiusly didn't read the act or about the ACLU... one of the reasons FOR this act, was that the people you said Pre-Reagan were not mentally ill, were being picked up and institutionalized against their will..."Now they litter the street. Whenever you see them thank Ronald Wilson Reagan"This is BOGUS...
If you are going to argue that the above is "status quo" making it "conservative", by your flawed limited definition of conservative political philosphy, you are not basing what you are arguing on ANY basis... you DO realize this, right?
No, preventative care and palative care are part of the equation...
Reagan could NOT write a check AT ALL... CONGRESS writes the checks, and the President can do NOTHING without Congress...
Bluemoon06, I guess what it all boils down to is I believe in the individual and you believe in the government... IMHO, the government CAUSES more problems than it solves, and the more you GIVE the government CONTROL over your life, the LESS free you are...
BlueMoon,You said all that I wanted to say, only much better!You are right, those younger didn't see the sudden huge influx of mentally ill onto the streets under Reagan. It was as if we were suddenly in a 3rd world country. I remember my medical co-workers being as angry as I was about it. Him in his Ivory Tower! That empty suit! The "let them eat cake" philosophy. The "trickle down from the rich" philosophy. I had him as governor and then as president, and then I had to endure the whole 30-day mourning period for this clueless president. (But I loved him as an actor, boy he WAS reassuring).Listening to some of the current debates--the elderly are scared to death that their Medicaid will be taken away. That shows the great need for that government program and the fact that it has worked so far. The elderly rely on it. [/12] And people rely on Social Security. Before there was Social Security it was common to see signs of starvation on the faces of the elderly poor. Thank God those days are gone. Look at how politically unpopular social security was.. all the same arguments as today against universal healthcare. Yet Social Security is now a pillar of our societal functioning.Now it is time to get that social safety net for health care under those who don't have it. The millions and millions who don't have it. So the desperate Mom doesn't have to go to the ER at 3 AM for the baby's earache and fever. So she can go to a clinic for preventative care much earlier.So that people like my insurance-less daughter don't get hit up with a $1500 bill for 2 stitches in ER. And my worker's sister $1800 to rule out that her child's bad bellyache wasn't appendicitis. So that insurance company executives don't live like princes from the premiums paid by poor folk to treat their cancers.Furnishedowner