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Offline fdjake

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Re: Naitonalized Healthcare...
« Reply #30 on: May 02, 2009, 01:39:54 pm »
First off....

Thanks guys for the encouraging words.  It is GREATLY APPRECIATED!!

Second.....I have no axe to grind here...I simply think we can do a better job taking care of our citizens.  Other very wealthy, free countires do it.  WE SHOULD ALSO.

The family I mentioned are REAL PEOPLE....I know these people and have helped them....But giving their info to some guy who's NAME I don't even know......That ain't happening.  I can just HEAR that conversation.  He could BLAME BOTH OF THEM for losing their jobs and being lazy cause there's "MORE THAN 40 HOURS IN A WORK WEEK!!!!!!! "(Holy Christ....if there's someone here who needs a name change more than this beauty I haven't met him yet.....POSITIVE OUTLOOK.....That's right up there with a Yale educated President calling himself  "THE DECIDER" during a international news conference)  Has this guy EVER actually posted a POSITIVE VIEW on ANY SUBJECT?????

As far as me TEACHING an out of work electrician how to flip houses.
Yea.........and exactly WHAT would he USE to BUY these homes with???
Maybe he could get a job LANDSCAPING and save up to buy the property????

OR...............maybe......He calls a FRIEND he knows he can trust.  Tells this FRIEND about the property.....Which needs a lot of work and capital to MAKE IT A WORTHWHILE INVESTMENT.....Capital this guy KNOWS he doesn't have......So he calls me.....I buy the property.....spend tens of thousands of MY MONEY on it.....Pay the INSURANCE, UTILITIES, Labor costs for repairs, material costs, and market the property.   But..........he gets his $9000 THE DAY I BOUGHT IT!!!!  I had to WAIT for my profit........and that profit was a fraction of the selling price........HIS PROFIT was.........ALL PROFIT!!!!   PAID IN ADVANCE....and on top of it......this wasn't the FIRST TIME he got a check like that from me......WHY do you think he CALLED?????

Believe it or not "POSITIVE"  some people DO NOT want to FLIP HOMES.

You'll understand this when you get more than ONE PROJECT completed.  (He's done one so far......But he's obviously an EXPERT!)

They don't want the RISK, they don't want the worry....BUT....being handed a $9000 check is MORE THAN THEY asked for OR expected!!

Everyone here is WRONG except Positive....Vader, Furnish, Me...he's got ALL the answers.

But my FAVORITE part of his response???

"NET POSITIVE INCOME OF $1013......Am I MISSING ANYTHING???"

YEA......YOUR MISSING EXACTLY WHAT THEIR MISSING...

The ADDITIONAL $1000/month they need to PAY FOR the monthly cost of  Bluecross :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
Do you READ????    That coverage IN THIS STATE is $2000 a month.    Let me slow this down for you.....

$    2  0  0  0     p e r     m o n t h.

This is like debating Ross Perot......SAYS NOTHING......But KEEPS TALKING ANYWAY!!!!!

BLAH  BLAH  BLAH  BLAH  BLAH


« Last Edit: May 02, 2009, 01:57:16 pm by fdjake »

Offline John_in_NC

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Re: Naitonalized Healthcare...
« Reply #31 on: May 02, 2009, 01:54:58 pm »
Why is the Health industry the only industry, who's costs goes up as technology improves??

Why was it so easy for an average American to afford to pay cash out of his own pocket for routine hospital visits in the 60's, 70's and 80's???

What went wrong FDJake??



« Last Edit: May 02, 2009, 01:57:46 pm by John_in_NC »

Offline fdjake

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Re: Naitonalized Healthcare...
« Reply #32 on: May 02, 2009, 02:06:25 pm »
Here's the best explanation I've seen John....

http://www.startribune.com/business/11093081.html

This is EXACTLY what the Republicans BS people about.  They tell them "Let the market set the price.  Markets are efficient....They weed out FAT.  GOVERMENTS can't do it CHEAPER."

It's all BULLSH*T...

If the Government never got involved you woiuldn't have ANY of the following....

AIR BAGS in cars
SEAT BELTS in cars
Crash test ratings (which now sell more cars than any other feature)
The 40 hour work week
Paid vacations
Fire codes
Buiding codes
and on and on.....

Business is making a KILLING on Health care.....You don't apy someone $125 MILLION a year if there isn't a TON of FAT in that business.

It's just like the BANKING SYSTEM..........GREED......PURE GREED took that business over.......That's what caused the collapse there.....And GREED is what caused the BREAK DOWN of our Health Care system.

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« Reply #33 on: May 02, 2009, 03:06:54 pm »
FDjake...       BS ALERT, BS ALERT, BS ALERT! :bs :bs :bs 

(From page 2 of this thread) - FDjake - "ask the guy I handed $9000 to last week for FINDING A PROPERTY FOR ME!!!"....  (from page 3 of this thread) - & "But..........he gets his $9000 THE DAY I BOUGHT IT!!!!" & "I buy the property.....spend tens of thousands of MY MONEY on it.....Pay the INSURANCE, UTILITIES, Labor costs for repairs, material costs, and market the property." -  :bs

So according to your own words from your posts, you bought the property LAST WEEK, handed him the $9K the day you bought it LAST WEEK, spent tens of thousands of YOUR MONEY on it LAST WEEK, all the above repairs, insurance, utillities, labor costs, materials, AND MARKETED IT, CLOSED IT and got your $40K profit ALL since LAST WEEK?  You are tripping yourself up here in your own BS, FDJake....   :flush

I can't WAIT to hear the follow-up to this... 
« Last Edit: May 02, 2009, 07:15:00 pm by PositiveOutlook »

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Re: Naitonalized Healthcare...
« Reply #34 on: May 02, 2009, 03:18:15 pm »
I'm starting to think FDjake and Furnishedowner are one in the same...

"I simply think we can do a better job taking care of our citizens." - Here we can agree... it can be done better, just NOT by government... we disagree with the facilitator, YOU believe in the government, I believe in the people...

"If the Government never got involved you woiuldn't have ANY of the following...." - Another red herring.... FDjake, noone is saying the government doesn't have a role.  BTW, alot of those things listed were pushed by THE INSURANCE COMPANIES you decry...  Look it up...

"Has this guy EVER actually posted a POSITIVE VIEW on ANY SUBJECT???" - depends  on your perspective...  

"Maybe he could get a job LANDSCAPING and save up to buy the property????" - No, my point was you have no problem giving a guy $9K for "5 minutes of his time", but are willig to sit and watch your "friend" suffer waiting for the government to help. Although you COULD, to be consistent in your argument, just GIVE it to him, you instead could always be the HML (to make YOUR profit), and take it back from your friend if it goes bad, which as we've seen, you are lightning quick in turn-around...   :rolleyes

"GOVERMENTS can't do it CHEAPER" - they absolutely CANNOT do it cheaper and you have yet to provide an example of social programs that are cheaper or are what the government promised them to be... But you'll just keep saying it and just be  willing to be a lemming and hand EVERYONE ELSE'S money over and coming up with some other red herring...  But I'll keep calling you on it.  

"he's got ALL the answers" - I've already said that I don't have the answers, but you don't even defend your positions...

"This is like debating Ross Perot......SAYS NOTHING......But KEEPS TALKING ANYWAY!!!!!" - More personal attacks instead of substance.... this time I'll play along... Funny, but I thought a similiar things about you, but more accurately Bill Clinton; just keep talklking and AVOIDING the questions giving NON-answers... the parallels are uncanny...
« Last Edit: May 02, 2009, 07:01:32 pm by PositiveOutlook »

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Re: Naitonalized Healthcare...
« Reply #35 on: May 02, 2009, 03:23:00 pm »
FDJake...

"But giving their info to some guy who's NAME I don't even know......That ain't happening." - I've already told you, just like with Furnishedowner, you don't have to give me their info, give them MY email, tell them what I am offering to do and LET THEM DECIDE if they want to talk to me...  what are you two afraid of?... being found out to be full of it, maybe?...

Me thinks thou protestith too much... 
« Last Edit: May 02, 2009, 07:04:45 pm by PositiveOutlook »

Offline John_in_NC

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Re: Naitonalized Healthcare...
« Reply #36 on: May 02, 2009, 04:25:02 pm »
There is a guy who is a politician now, that was a doctor for many years before.
His name is Dr. Ron Paul. I think we could all learn a lot from him.

http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Ron_Paul_Health_Care.htm

Offline propertymanager

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Re: Naitonalized Healthcare...
« Reply #37 on: May 02, 2009, 05:07:31 pm »
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It's as if Positive Outlook doesn't have a clue about the real world that working people are in. If you are in the working poor, every tank of gas is a challenge, your diet is Ramen and Macaroni & Cheese, your clothes come from the Thrift Store, but usually you can't afford to go there. An illness is huge, because how are you going to afford the medicine?

That's ridiculous!  We don't have poor people in the United States.  If you think otherwise, go to Africa or other under-developed countries and talk to the real poor.  In the United States, the poor have a place to live, plenty of food to eat (as evidenced by how fat many of them are), a cell phone, a big screen tv, and spending money.  I certainly would not call that poor!  NOT EVEN CLOSE!

Ramen Noodles?  Give me a break.  Almost every deadbeat tenant I evict leaves the cabinets and refrigerator FULL of food.  Why?  Because they didn't pay for it (I did) and they don't appreciate it.  They'll just get more free food at their next place.

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Offline fdjake

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« Reply #38 on: May 02, 2009, 07:47:11 pm »
Maybe if you had rehabbed more than ONE HOME in YOUR LIFE TIME you could follow this a little better.

The property I bought......LAST WEEK.......Needs a lot of work.  I ALWAYS know exactly what my worst case scenerio is going into a property.  Again...If you had ANY experience DOING this you'd know YOU MAKE YOUR MONEY WHEN YOU BUY THEM.

I'll make $40K on this property with NO PROBLEM.....I PAID a finders FEE, as I ALWAYS do, at the date of my PURCHASE.

The $40K is simply my profit margin on this property.  That amount was calculated by doing a complete inspection of the home prior to purchase.  I had a sales agreement with an escape clause signed the DAY I got the phone call from the electrician.  At that point the property is LOCKED UP.....I can then spend a few WEEKS having my subs get in there and prepare estimates because I have a "30 days to close" in the P&S.   Remember......I CLOSED on this property last week.   I didn't say I signed a P&S agreement last week.  Again......If you had done more than ONE PROPERTY you would already know these things.....But we ALL know your an EXPERT with just ONE REHAB under his belt!!!!

So skip ahead to the CLOSING last week.....I have all my costs covered, materials, labor, projected utility costs, insurance....Basically ALL the things ANYONE WITH EXPERIENCE understands.....The rehab schedule is in place.....AND I CLOSE.

The ELECTRICIAN GETS PAID....THAT DAY.......I made $40,000 that day because I have a BUYER ALREADY LINED UP....This buyer had a BACKUP OFFER on another home I completed a few months ago.   This project is the same 3 bed, 1 bath style ranch...but in a BETTER area.  She JUMPED on it.  She grew up in the neighborhood this home is in, and knew what the house she originally missed out on looked like when I got done with it.

See if YOU actually DO this stuff instead of WRITING about it.....IT MAKES IT A LOT EASIER.

That buyer has ALREADY signed a P&S on this property.  She has already picked out her colors, rugs and details.  Her mortgage pre-approval is ROCK SOLID......And this deal is DONE!!

Man you really have ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE!!

Stick with the TV watching and POLITICS....At least you can't get hurt doing that and you don't end up looking like a ROOKIE WITH NO EXPERIENCE.
« Last Edit: May 02, 2009, 08:32:25 pm by fdjake »

Offline propertymanager

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« Reply #39 on: May 02, 2009, 07:59:00 pm »
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Man you really have ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE!!

Stick with the TV watching and POLITICS....At least you can't get hurt doing that.

Are all these personal attacks really necessary FDJake?  If so, why?  I think PositiveOutlook has made many good points in his posts and how many rehabs he's done has absolutely no bearing on their accuracy.  Everyone's got to start somewhere and he's miles ahead of the millions of people who never do a deal.  Furthermore, taking his time to get deals that are a winner instead of just doing deals for the sake of doing them is also smart.  I don't think attacking someone for acting responsibly is inappropriate.

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Offline fdjake

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« Reply #40 on: May 02, 2009, 08:04:14 pm »
So calling me a LIAR is "ACTING RESPONSIBLY"?????

Mike,  you gotta be kiddin me???

Don't blame me for stating MY opinions simply because you agree with HIS!

He ASKED for that explanation......It's not my fault if he looks like a FOOL after it's provided.  He basically called me a LIAR...I provided a DETAILED EXPLANATION of a REAL ESTATE DEAL that he ASKED FOR.....Now he looks like the ROOKIE, ONE SHOT WONDER he is........HIS fault....NOT MINE!!!

He's got NOTHING for experience......That's NOT opinion Mike....That's called a FACT.......I drove a car last night.....Maybe I'll see if I can quailify for the Indy 500 next month.....Hey....everyones got to start somewhere.

But in the meantime I tell other INDY DRIVERS they're full of BS!!! (but THAT'S not a personal attack right Mike??)

This guy's a stroker......If you want to take him under YOUR wing....HE'S ALL YOURS!!!
« Last Edit: May 02, 2009, 08:27:22 pm by fdjake »

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« Reply #41 on: May 02, 2009, 08:32:17 pm »
This thread is getting really interesting. The personal attacks are out of place, yes, but PO asked for it. PO initially acts like he just wants a debate on the issues, but soon after his real motives come out. He then belittles the viewpoints of non-republicans with his "i'm smarter than everyone" attitude. Then he picks apart every phrase just to sound intellectual.

There are a lot of republicans on the site like propertymanager who makes great posts that are quite entertaining to read. So I'm not ragging on any republicans. I'm NOT a democrat or liberal, left wing or right. Positive Outlook is an aggravating fellow is all I'm saying. The info in his posts is quite decent at times, then the attitude takes over and he just comes off as a complete jerk. Fdjake shouldn't have got that personal with it, but PO was gonna get it from someone.

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« Reply #42 on: May 02, 2009, 08:47:27 pm »
Mike, you beat me to it... but, YES, I do understand that you make your money going into it, which I learned from this site... which is why I was cautious going in...

That being said FDJAke, the amount of deals you do or don't do, is IRRELEVANT to a discussion on national healthcare.  I've NEVER claimed that I am in any way an "expert" in real estate, that is your misguided tangent.  Makes for a great distraction though.... another straw man bites the dust...

If you would spend just half the time you are posting addressing what is being posted by others, instead of going off on tangents. you'd be MUCH more productive.

"I'll make $40K on this property with NO PROBLEM....." & "I made $40,000 that day because I have a BUYER ALREADY LINED UP...." - I'll make  and I made $40K are two different tenses, maybe therein lies the problem...  I still think it's BS because I am watching you modify your post as it goes along to fill in holes.  BUT, for now, I will just lay it to the side and assume it is a deal... the point regarding it NEVER changed... you'll give a guy $9K for "5 minutes of his time", but you'll watch your "friend" and his wife suffer being "scared to death" instead of showing him ways to birddog or look for deals you need so he partake in your generosity.  The other guys Union so he should have insurance....

"He's got NOTHING for experience..." - in real estate in comparision to other more "experienced" investors, but we are not talking real estate are we, we are talking nationalized healthcare...

Vader - "PO initially acts like he just wants a debate on the issues, but soon after his real motives come out. " - what "real motive" are you referring to - I want to discuss nationalized healthcare, that's all I'm looking to do which is why I posted the topic in the first place... 90% of my posts directly address the subject at hand.  

Vader, if you think challenging what someone believes is "belittling" or "aggravating" that's your perception.  Personally, and I could be wrong, I think it's because you just don't like I am posting or can't rationally defend what you are...  I've stated MULTIPLE times that I do not believe I am "smarter than everyone" nor do I consider myself 'intellectual", just reasoned and I try to do it without personal attacks for the most part... the rest is your perception...  

Now that we've endured another excrusion into the irrelevant... Care to get back to the topic at hand?... nationalized healthcare?

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« Reply #43 on: May 02, 2009, 08:55:28 pm »
Let's get this back on topic and focus it even more... for those in favor of nationalized healthcare... give us the country that YOU believe has the best healthcare system that keeps costs down, and provides the same level of services, without the wait lists, takes care of the poor and elderly at the same level as everyone else...

Then we can start to get somewhere...

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« Reply #44 on: May 02, 2009, 09:12:04 pm »
Let's get this back on topic and focus it even more... for those in favor of nationalized healthcare... give us the country that YOU believe has the best healthcare system that keeps costs down, and provides the same level of services, without the wait lists, takes care of the poor and elderly at the same level as everyone else...

Then we can start to get somewhere...

The problem with this is determining how much that country actually spends on the "free health care".


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