Just another reason why I cant stand Liberal lefties

[rookieNYC]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/obama/chi-rahm-emanuel-profit-26-mar26,0,5682373.story

Its ok for Rahm Emanuel to clean out Freddie Mac for $320,000 while the world crumbles but God forbid any Republicans made 10 cents...

Bluemoon let me guess,Bush made him do it right?

[John_in_NC]

I think he summed up the whole Obama administration strategy in this one interview.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mzcbXi1Tkk

[JakeRodgers]

Don't you get it? When you live in Lefty Land, you don't actually have to DO anything ("...who made at least $320,000 for a 14-month stint at Freddie Mac that required little effort.") to get rewarded and promoted. Same thing with Geithner- you don't pay your taxes, you get a political nomination. It's so ingenious, why didn't I think of not paying my taxes earlier!! COME ON....!!

[sellnbama]

This administration is a group of artist who differ our concerns,then ramble on their own agenda.People are starting to see that obama is not a president as much as a dictator(aka czar,the word he loves so much).He stutters and stumbles without a teleprompter telling him what david axelrod wrote for him to recite.Wise up people!Visit and join the912project.com This is not a democrate/republican problem its an honesty problem.The economy has been falling since 07 ,So why was it our new presidents first order of business to announce closing of gitmo?This was during the 1st 2 weeks!How does that effect economy.Its time to ask yourself "whats this guys real agenda? 

[furnishedowner]

When did REICLUB develop into the BASH LIBERALS site?

Come on guys, people who invest in real estate vote in in many flavors.
It's a waste of time to just bash each other. There must be political websites out there for that.

How we vote is based on our ethnicity and personal history as much as where we are today.

I have voted Republican in the past--Nixon! AARghhh...but I keep going back to how my immigrant father figured out how to vote when he was first naturalized and became eligible.  He asked another immigrant farmer, "How do you know who to vote for?"

"It's easy," was the reply. "Republicans is the party for the rich people. Democrats are the party for the poor people."

That settled it for Dad. "I'm a Democrat for sure then!"

It's great to debate issues. But I am bothered when it degenerates into the kind of toxic hate-bashing espoused by people like Rush Limbaugh.

That's not the kind of American I want to be. We are all together in this, and we can solve our problems by debate, not hate.

Furnishedowner, a liberal-leaning lefty, at least for now.

Furnishedowner

[Vader]

When did REICLUB develop into the BASH LIBERALS site?

Come on guys, people who invest in real estate vote in in many flavors.
It's a waste of time to just bash each other. There must be political websites out there for that.

How we vote is based on our ethnicity and personal history as much as where we are today.

I have voted Republican in the past--Nixon! AARghhh...but I keep going back to how my immigrant father figured out how to vote when he was first naturalized and became eligible.  He asked another immigrant farmer, "How do you know who to vote for?"

"It's easy," was the reply. "Republicans is the party for the rich people. Democrats are the party for the poor people."

That settled it for Dad. "I'm a Democrat for sure then!"

It's great to debate issues. But I am bothered when it degenerates into the kind of toxic hate-bashing espoused by people like Rush Limbaugh.

That's not the kind of American I want to be. We are all together in this, and we can solve our problems by debate, not hate.

Furnishedowner, a liberal-leaning lefty, at least for now.

Furnishedowner

Well said, its one of the reasons I barely come to this site anymore. Pretty much bashing the current administration non-stop, when the previous administration created much of the problems we face. I'm not pro any political party, I'm neutral, but it a shame there can't be healthy debate without all the bashing.

I'm glad fdjake is still around, he's one of the few who still posts very interesting stuff. We need more posters who post from a different angle to bring back life to the site. "If you build it....they will come" [back to this website].

[PositiveOutlook]

Furnishedowner,

What is sad to me is that "that was it" for your dad... had he actually looked a little deeper, he would have found that Democrats are not for the poor, but are only interested in how they can control them... any dispassionate reading of history reflects this... I have voted for Rep's, Dem's and Ind's over the years, but I can tell you that I don't make it a habit of voting for the one that believes government can do it better than it's people...

My mother was also from another country, and she didn't some to America at 21-22 years old to have the government do it for her...  Being one of thirteen kids growing up, she knew the value of hard work.  You either got up at 5am to pick potatoes before school, or you didn't eat.  When my father died, she worked two jobs raising many kids refusing government assistance.  She was an amazing women who ingrained the work ethic into her family, not one of dependance, ... once that is ingrained, it is EXTREMELY hard to get out from under it, although in America, you stand a better chance than in most places in the world.  She believed that if you fall, you get up and try again...

Immigrants don't brave the rough seas, or any of the many other ways they get here in the hopes of getting on the government dole... they do it for the OPPORTUNITY to live under a system of Life, Liberty and the PURSUIT of Happiness...  If we could just get the citizenry focused back on their Heritage, instead of sucking off the government nipple or leaching off of others labor wherever they can (with the latest being nationalized healthcare) imagine the potential that could be unlocked.  You will never get the best out of your child by doing it FOR them, but rather letting them do for THEMSELVES... we should not expect LESS from adults...

"BASH LIBERALS site" - well, I guess if you are being asked to defend your assertions and it's hard to do so, I guess you could fall back on that... it's intellectually weak, and you could always "change the channel", as it were, but I would think that conservatives, moderates, libertarians, etc. could all make the same argument.

"But I am bothered when it degenerates into the kind of toxic hate-bashing espoused by people like Rush Limbaugh."- Honestly, it like you are reading from a liberal website, and not thinking for yourself... I don't agree with Limbaugh on everything and if you don't understand his shtick, it's hard to "get" him, but I think you'll be better informed if you read all sides of an argument...  If you did, you'll find that Limbaugh is for the people, of ALL classes, not the government... 

With few exceptions... most "war zones" alot of REI's go into did not get into that condition by people who are hard working people and living "by the rules", but are rather those on government assistance, using or pushing drugs, no self-motivation, because they get a check from the government...  I'm sure alot of people here who rent to Section 8 tenants, and other's can testify to this fact. 

The more and more government involvement, the WORSE it gets... 

My question to you is when does this dependance on government stop?  At what point should the individual take responsibility for THEIR life, liberty and THEIR pursuit of happiness?...

Simply put, there is NOTHING the government can do for you that you cannot do for yourself better... 

If you don't believe this, give control of your rental business over to the government and see how well they do representing YOUR interests...  yeah, I wouldn't either...

It's hard to defend what you believe sometimes, and even harder when you have to look at your own hypocrisy (as we all have done) and dig back in to work for what you believe in... We all fall, we just need to exhort more people to get back up themselves, instead of lying there WAITING for SOMEONE ELSE to do it for them... If not, you just enslave them to what SOMEONE ELSE thinks their life should be...

[PositiveOutlook]

Vader,

"We need more posters who post from a different angle to bring back life to the site." - Thank you for making my point entirely!  You mean more posters who agree with your "angle", right?  Otherwise, you wouldn't care about other people's "angle", and just read them for what they are, an opposing view to yours... Then, when it's "weighted" towards your "angle" then others of the opposing view can make the same argument, right?

"If you build it....they will come" - the argument can be made that is already the case... you just don't like that they don't match your "angle"...

[rookieNYC]

This site has hardly become a liberal bashing site...Bush bashing and Republican bashing has been the norm for the past 8 years so get use to it taking a turn for a while...I have friends that voted for BO and are appalled at what he has implemented..He fooled many of his own people with his "change you can believe in " crap...He is no different than any politician but worse..He and his administration want to raise taxes on everyone and everything but they refuse to pay taxes themselves..He is closing gitmo and releasing these terrorists back into the streets..I could go on and on...Now you have Bidens kid snorting coke on tape,typical liberal activity...freedom yeah !!!!!...Socialism at its best...

What puzzles me is if  many of you are here to enrich yourselves with the RE investing thing why would you be for a socialist like BO?...So I assume you believe in affirmitive action across every aspect of your life...?....Sorry I disagree with everything this guy stands for..His administration and staff is a joke...I'm not saying McCain/Palin was the right ticket either but I would bet BO is a one term President..

[propertymanager]

When did REICLUB develop into the BASH LIBERALS site?

REIClub is not a bash liberals site - that's just silly.  This particular section of REIClub, Random Ramblings, is a section designed to allow people to discuss non-rei related subjects.  Of course, politics is one of those subjects and I recall quite a bit of Republican "bashing" to go along with the Liberal "bashing". 

Why should anyone complain about what's posted?  If you don't like a particular topic or the comments of a particular poster, you can stop reading and not respond.

Back to the topic at hand:

but I keep going back to how my immigrant father figured out how to vote when he was first naturalized and became eligible.  He asked another immigrant farmer, "How do you know who to vote for?"

"It's easy," was the reply. "Republicans is the party for the rich people. Democrats are the party for the poor people."

That settled it for Dad. "I'm a Democrat for sure then!"

If your goal is to be poor and live on government handouts, then you have a very good reason to vote for Democrats (now socialists).  On the other hand, if your goal is to get out of poverty and make something of yourself, then the socialists are the enemy.  They stifle competition; punish success; and want to take YOUR MONEY and redistribute it as they see fit.

Conservatives (not to be confused with Republicans) are for freedom and individual rights.  You have the right to TRY to succeed and to PURSUE happiness.  You also have the right to fail.  I have the right to work hard and keep MY MONEY and I have no responsibility to pay for those that are too lazy to work.  I also have no responsibility to provide medical coverage for anyone that is too lazy to work.

If conservatism was boiled down to one idea - it would be PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.  You and I are responsible for our decisions and our actions.

Mike

[furnishedowner]

Vader was right. More viewpoints are needed--balanced, logical, questioning.

I am a Capitalist. So are most entrepreneurial people. So why is it that if I don't deem myself a conservative Republican, then I am called a Socialist, a lefty, a welfare-loving fan of the government dole?

I am none of those things. But I am a Capitalist, and a registered Democrat. It is just nonsense to say that because I am a Democrat I am in favor of EVERYTHING that the Democratic administration espouses.

I voted. for the smartest candidate with the best platform. I feel Obama  is doing a Hell of a good job in an incredibly difficult time. I am willing to give him time to right the ship.

Positive Outlook: Sorry, but it is absurd to say that there is NOTHING the government can do for you that you can't do better yourself!
Like I can regulate the banks and financial institutions. Heck, I couldn't even control the interest on my own 'lil credit card! There are all kinds of things the government can do better.

What if we had just waited on our benevolent citizenry in the South to let African-Americans share in the schools, jobs, hotel rooms, lunch counter seats? It took the government to enforce Civil Rights.

As much as I would like to go after Al Queda and shut down their terrorist camps, I just can't do it. Nor can you.

I can't build bridges or highways. I can't take the National Census. I  like to travel, but I just can't negotiate with foreign leaders.

I am a Capitalist. I dislike extremism, whether it is right or left. It scares me.

I am very scared especially of religious fanaticism mixed with politics. When I choose someone to vote for, I lean towards the guy who does NOT start his resume with "Member of such-and-such church".  The person who can think and work things through rather than spout dogma. When I listen to (mostly) right-leaning religious politicians I can't help thinking of Hitler's stance: "Gott Mit Uns!"  That's way too close to the God-righteous religious fanaticism of the 9-11 attackers.

So come on, my fellow Capitalists. We are all safer in the middle. Let the pendulum swing right, and then left. And settle on the middle.

Furnishedowner

[PositiveOutlook]

Furnishedowner,

What I said was...

"Simply put, there is NOTHING the government can do FOR YOU that you cannot do FOR YOURSELF better."

I referring to how it relates to you from a Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness POV.  You read into that what you wanted... BTW, the things you listed, the government was/is exceedingly inefficient or ineffective at most if not all of them... 

The financial mess we are in now was a direct FAILURE of the seven different GOVERNMENT agencies who were given powers of oversight, as well as, the congressional subcommittee's who were also supposed to be on top of it...  And now the solution is to give them MORE money and MORE power to do that which they did not do in the first place?...

I think you like the "idea" of thinking you are a capitalist, but in reality, based on your posts on a host of things on these forums, you are more FOR government doing for you or others...

"It is just nonsense to say that because I am a Democrat I am in favor of EVERYTHING that the Democratic administration espouses."

OK, name for us five examples of what you disagree with Obama and the Dem's that have long-term negative ramifications for our country (there are a HOST to choose from). From what I and others have read, you're pretty much lock, stock and barrel along with the Democratic Administration.  It would also be interesting to see this from your perspective of "capitalist"....

Considering all the negative actions that he is taking, I especially would like to hear how you juxtapose your statement of - "I feel Obama  is doing a Hell of a good job in an incredibly difficult time. I am willing to give him time to right the ship.", with capitalism...

With regards to your statements about politicians who are "religious", and "Gott Mit Uns" - you have a short memory.. the Dem's were going out of their way in the past two election cycle's (due to polling) to associate with exactly that...

Obama - "I feel a righteous wind at our back"...

Obama - "Obama's call for help to "become an instrument of God."...

Obama - "Barack Obama distributes a campaign flier describing himself as a "Committed Christian" (1-21-08)."

Obama - "Barack Obama asked a congregation to help him "become an instrument of God" and join him in creating "a Kingdom right here on Earth" (10-17-07)"

Obama - "President OBAMA (in inaugural speech):  This is the source of our confidence, the knowledge that God calls on us to shape an uncertain destiny."


So come on my fellow capitalists, throw off the burden of government, stand up for your country's heritage and constitution, and free everyone else to be a "capitalist"...

[Vader]

Vader,

"We need more posters who post from a different angle to bring back life to the site." - Thank you for making my point entirely!  You mean more posters who agree with your "angle", right?  Otherwise, you wouldn't care about other people's "angle", and just read them for what they are, an opposing view to yours... Then, when it's "weighted" towards your "angle" then others of the opposing view can make the same argument, right?

"If you build it....they will come" - the argument can be made that is already the case... you just don't like that they don't match your "angle"...

Wow...just wow, where to start... you read so hard into my post that you almost hurt yourself. Apparently you missed the part where I stated I'm neutral and don't care for politics. Too much of any one viewpoint/topic never goes anywhere and gets really boring and one dimensional. The SAME people post the SAME things over and over again.

You seem offended by what I said and I really don't see why. Apparently I touched a nerve and hurt your feelings. Not everyone sees the world as you do through political glasses, different strokes for different folks. So give your aggressive attitude a rest and go argue politics with someone who wants to talk about it.

[justin0419]

I am very scared especially of religious fanaticism mixed with politics. When I choose someone to vote for, I lean towards the guy who does NOT start his resume with "Member of such-and-such church".  The person who can think and work things through rather than spout dogma.

Oh don't worry.  I'm sure every shred of anything having to do with God will be eradicated from all aspects of our government very soon.  

[PositiveOutlook]

Vader...

"...I'm neutral and don't care for politics."

That's fine Vader, but if you are neutral (which I don't think you are), by definition, it shouldn't matter what others post, and REICLUB has a host of people posting from different POV's. If you don't "care for politics", why are you not only reading, but posting in a political thread?  It strains credulity to then say you are neutral...

"Too much of any one viewpoint/topic never goes anywhere and gets really boring and one dimensional."

That's only the case when you don't participate and put your thoughts on the subject out there.  Routinely different POV's spark different directions.  I challenge you to find one thread on REICLUB, or anywhere else for that matter, that is devoid of opposing views. A subject usually follows a 1/3 vs. 2/3 mentality, with it swinging both ways... Look at this thread... it's following the same pattern...

"The SAME people post the SAME things over and over again."

Continuity of thought will always breed repetition sometimes...  but I would rather know where you stand for something than wonder whether you go with the crowd and not think for yourself.

"You seem offended by what I said and I really don't see why. Apparently I touched a nerve and hurt your feelings..."

Actually no, Vader, I'm not "offended" or "hurt", but it does seem obvious that you are looking for more thought that agrees with your POV (and that's normal, BTW), otherwise you wouldn't care... after all, you're "neutral", right?...

"Not everyone sees the world as you do through political glasses, different strokes for different folks."

Granted, I don't just see the world though "political glasses", nor do I expect people to see things automatically from my POV, but in a thread with a political theme, people generally put on their "political glasses"... I intentionally listen to and read other POV's that differ from my own, and challenge what I believe.  It's one of the few ways you can really test what you truly believe, and not just blow with the wind.

"So give your aggressive attitude a rest and go argue politics with someone who wants to talk about it."

The thing that is amazing here, is that you claim neutrality, claim to invite different POV's, are posting in a political thread, and somehow expect not to get political argument which may disagree with your POV.  On top of that you exhort me to go "argue politics" (as if "arguing" politics in a political thread is out of the norm) with "someone who wants to talk about it".  How do you know that I am not already talking to someone who wants to hear it?  That's pretty presumptuous of you to assume otherwise... The funny thing is, Vader, you don't have to participate if you don't want to, or you can for that matter... you also could "change the channel" as it were (there are nine other forums on REICLUB other than Random Ramblings), but I would never tell you to take your POV, "aggressive" or otherwise, somewhere else, whether I disagreed with it or not... 

I wonder how you feel about the "fairness doctrine"...