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Who is going to be our Next President in 2009?

John McCain
23 (42.6%)
Barack Obama
28 (51.9%)
Ralph Nader
0 (0%)
Donald Duck
3 (5.6%)

Total Members Voted: 52

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Offline propertymanager

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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #150 on: October 06, 2008, 06:18:02 am »
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I think both of these candidates deserve some respect.

I disagree.  Respect is EARNED, not bestowed.  While I have complete respect for John McCain's military record (EARNED), I totally disrepect both Obama and McCain when it comes to politics.  Obama is an overt socialist and McCain is a socialist - lite.  YUK!  Nothing to respect there.

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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #151 on: October 06, 2008, 06:21:20 am »
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I think both of these candidates deserve some respect.

I disagree.  Respect is EARNED, not bestowed.  While I have complete respect for John McCain's military record (EARNED), I totally disrepect both Obama and McCain when it comes to politics.  Obama is an overt socialist and McCain is a socialist - lite.  YUK!  Nothing to respect there.

Mike

Icky icky socialism.  ICKY! YUK!

Mike, you got respect for Palin?

She stopped that bridge from uhhh.... nowhere being built? Or something like that?? lolz...
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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #152 on: October 06, 2008, 06:26:22 am »
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Mike, you got respect for Palin?

She stopped that bridge from uhhh.... nowhere being built? Or something like that?? lolz...

She's at least SAYING most of the right things.  So, yes, so far I have respect for her.

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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #153 on: October 06, 2008, 02:08:30 pm »
I think I remember my mother telling me that... oh well so much for politics, it's like talking about religion :D


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I think both of these candidates deserve some respect.

I disagree.  Respect is EARNED, not bestowed.  While I have complete respect for John McCain's military record (EARNED), I totally disrepect both Obama and McCain when it comes to politics.  Obama is an overt socialist and McCain is a socialist - lite.  YUK!  Nothing to respect there.

Mike

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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #154 on: October 06, 2008, 11:56:14 pm »
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Mike, you got respect for Palin?

She stopped that bridge from uhhh.... nowhere being built? Or something like that?? lolz...

She's at least SAYING most of the right things.  So, yes, so far I have respect for her.

Mike


That's funny...and here I thought a precondition to actually saying something was the ability to put together a complete sentence.  :monalisa

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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #155 on: October 07, 2008, 10:13:31 am »
You mean like... Uh, Uhm, pause, Uh, no, wait for it... Uhhhhh  Obama?   :biggrin

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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #156 on: October 07, 2008, 10:18:10 am »
Here's a thought...

Let's move this more toward WHY you are voting for Obama...  For those of you who are voiting for hom, what qualifies Obama to be POTUS?  Convince me, why should I give him any uh, uhmmm, pause.... uhm, further consideration?


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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #157 on: October 07, 2008, 11:31:16 am »
I'll give you a good reason to vote for Obama (sorry, in my original post I put McCain here).  He's a socialist and will oversee a huge amount of additional spending.  That spending will speed up our collision course with bankruptcy and catastrophe as a nation.  The sooner we hit that brick wall, the sooner we can get headed back to being a great country.  Additionally, the longer it takes to reach that wall, the harder we will hit it.  Moreover, if the country is going to collapse, I'd just as soon have a socialist at the helm.

Those are all good reasons to vote for Obama.

What are the good reasons to vote for McCain?

Palin - that's all I got.  McCain is a socialist-lite and I don't think he will be good for the country.

Mike
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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #158 on: October 07, 2008, 04:15:49 pm »
Those are all good reasons to vote for Obama.

What are the good reasons to vote for McCain?

Palin - that's all I got.  McCain is a socialist-lite and I don't think he will be good for the country.

Hmm...you forgot to mention that Obama is also a socialist, but around 10 times as severe as McCain on his worst day.  Here are a few good things about McCain, and a few corresponding bad things about Obama. -

  • McCain is a genuine war hero. His service to this country alone makes him a damned fine person in my book.
  • McCain is strong on national security,
    • Obama wants to sit down for tea and crumpets with our enemies.
  • McCain is real.  He doesn't hide a checkered past or blatantly lie about his public service record.
    • Obama is an unknown quantity - simply because any attempt to uncover any information about the man is slapped down and deemed racist.
  • McCain has served honorably in the US Senate for over 2 decades.
    • Obama has served 143 days in the Senate, accomplished nothing of consequence and is already involved in one major scandal and another local scandal in Chicago (Tony Rezko).
  • McCain understands that you don't grow an economy by raising taxes on those who already pay the lion's share.
    • Obama/Biden think paying more taxes is patriotic.
  • McCain chose an undiluted conservate, Sarah Palin, as his running mate. This move managed to energize the conservative base for McCain.
    • Obama chose as his running mate Joe Biden, quite possibly the biggest joke in the Senate -- a man who can't seem to open his mouth without something monumentally stupid flying out.

These are just a few reasons to vote for McCain.  Now, can we see some reasons to vote for Comrade Obama?
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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #159 on: October 07, 2008, 05:13:57 pm »
Sorry, I meant to say Obama!  I'll go back and edit my previous post.

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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #160 on: October 07, 2008, 05:54:36 pm »
Oh...well....alrighty then.  LOL

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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #161 on: October 07, 2008, 06:59:24 pm »
I campaigned for Ron Paul all last summer, and a lot of people here seem to like him, so before I post, I'd just like to say if you REALLY aren't  happy with either candidate, and you REALLY think we need a new government then you should put your money where your mouth is and help get some people into Congress that can help Ron before he retires. Today is a money bomb for BJ Lawson - http://www.lawsonforcongress.com/ who Ron handpicked to get him some support in the House. I gave $10, and it's probably the best investment for my conscience I've made this year.

Anyway though, reasons why I like Obama over McCain:

  • He's an inspiring speaker. This is important to me. Presidents can't do half the things they elude to on the campaign trail because this isn't a monarchy. A president needs to motivate people,  inspire people, and represent American ideals around the world. A president needs to get public support behind his/her ideas, and so they have to be able to convey them clearly. This. is. what. a. president. does.  Barack does it better than McCain.

  • I like Obama's foreign policy better. I think we should be avoiding foreign entanglements. I think we should be scaling back our empire, and I believe in negotiation before war. I think we've spent too much overseas already, and  I don't trust McCain to scale back on it. I think he feels Iran is such a threat that he would pre-emptive nuclear strike them if he thought he could. There are more countries with a greater interest in what goes on with Iran than the US, namely the countries on the same continent like China, Israel, India, Egypt, Britain, Russia, Spain, Sweden, Czech Republic etc. I also don't think McCain's foreign policies can keep us both safe AND free and I'm not willing to trade one for the other.

  • I like that Obama comes into the office clean. He beat Hillary straight up in the election and paid his dues for it et al. PUMA. His money came from individual donors and he's not shaking any hands. On the other hand McCain is selling his soul for this presidency. He's hired the same goons that smeared him in 2000, and he had to grease a lot of wheels politically to garner support from a base that didn't like him. If he gets elected, I'm afraid he'll just be a puppet like GWB while he fills his advisor spots and cabinet positions with GoP loyalists. When the Obama campaign says McCain is just another 8 years of Bush policies, they are exactly right because  Bush and McCain have the same people on payroll.

  • I think Obama understands economics, where McCain just recites whatever rhetoric can get him through a debate. Obama's economic advisors are mostly centrists. Volker endorsed him, and Greenspan has all but come out for him. I'm not a huge fan that Obama thinks more government can often help people, but I'll take someone that actually understands a financial statement, over someone who comes off as pretty illiterate to them.

  • I think Obama is more open to criticism and opposing ideas whereas McCain will be just like Bush and surround himself with only loyalists. Therefore I trust Obama's decision making more than I do McCain's.

  • Finally, I think Obama is in it for the right reasons. I don't buy the fear mongering and character assassinations. I've read his history. His biggest fault is that he actually thinks government can help people. I'm not so sure about that. I am sure though, that this is why Obama is running. He thinks he can help people. I think McCain is running because he thinks he deserves it. I think he wants the highest office in the land as some personal achievement, to prove he could do it. I'll take the former.






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« Reply #162 on: October 07, 2008, 10:10:39 pm »
OK, who are we going to write-in?  Ron Paul would be my first choice.  I simply couldn't believe that in tonight's debate McCain proposed spending $300 Billion to write off the principal of people who are upside down on their mortgages.  Let's face the unpleasant truth - McCain is a socialist!  I can't vote for a socialist!

Mike
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« Reply #163 on: October 07, 2008, 10:34:08 pm »
heh that was funny... I guess he figured what the heck, lets make it an even trillion
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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #164 on: October 07, 2008, 10:42:41 pm »
I thought so... absent in this analysis are Obama's qualifications to be POTUS...

Putting his oratory skills to the side, all you have left is his record, which is?... how does it qualify him for the office?  If all there was is the ability to inspire (which is an important trait, mind you), without a track-record, the glow of such skill wears off and what is left? Let's define it, what are Obama's qualifications to be POTUS?

ANYONE can put out positions that sound popular(ist), but without a track record of actually achieving results resembling these positions, it's just party-line talk. And then the bait and switch comes... You can love his talk on positions (I don't), but if he can't follow-through, what's the point?

For example, when he ran for Senate in Illinios, he promised a middle class tax cut.  Not only did it no materialize, he never even brought it up for consideration!  He didn't even dispute that in tonights boring debate.  Amazing! What makes you think he will follow through on his "95%" middle class tax-cut?  Based on what?

We, as a people, have a much greater responsibility our country and our kids to flesh this out... It certainly is not being done by the press...



P.S. - I never thought in my lifetime I would ever be in the position to say that I "feel" Hillary Clinton's pain!...

 




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