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Who is going to be our Next President in 2009?

John McCain
23 (42.6%)
Barack Obama
28 (51.9%)
Ralph Nader
0 (0%)
Donald Duck
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Total Members Voted: 52

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Offline hthompson001

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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #120 on: August 20, 2008, 02:24:28 pm »
Nice post.  The fact is no one President could not change our deeply entrenched captilalistic system and those that say the contrary are just plain old paranoid.  In Mike's case, I suspect he is using it to mask his deep animosity and discomfort toward Obama as a candidate period.

The names Fidel Castro, Adolph Hilter and Stalin come to mind....they were only one person who brainwashed their country into giving up its rights.  I'm not saying that Obama is this person; but there is proof that he has deeply studied Marxism.
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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #121 on: August 20, 2008, 04:47:29 pm »
Paris Hilton and whats here name commercial?   :anon

What do you think of the new commercial saying Obama
is just famous for being famous?

Will this hurt or help John McCain do you think?   :huh
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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #122 on: August 20, 2008, 06:51:23 pm »
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In 2000 there was a surplus in the budget, now we are trillions in DEFICIT.
We did not have so many people filing Bankruptcy and losing their homes or is it that the more people that lose homes make us happy.

In my industry there were not as many people being laid off and could not pay their bills. Our company' income has fallen severely and we have had to lay off staff  - like 1000's of other businesses. We are in a depression and I do not do not like it. What do you expect. Who will take us further into the depression Obama or McCain?

I agree 100%.  It is an absolute disgrace what politicians (including President Bush) have done to this country.  Our country is already bankrupt, but we continue to add new entitlements (like the new medicare prescription drug benefit) and we continue to bail out big businesses, banks, and quasi-government entities (like Freddie and Fannie).  Never mind that the government doesn't have the money for these entitlements and bailouts - they just print money out of thin air and borrow money from our enemies.  Worse yet, instead of drilling for our own oil, we send 700 billion dollars per year to our enemies who provide us with our oil (and have the ability to hold us hostage with it).  Finally, regardless of who becomes the next president, both Obama and McCain have pledged to enact a cap and trade system, which will increase the cost of gasoline $2 per gallon.  This in a vain attempt to curb global warming, which even the scientists claim ended 10 years ago and while at the same time China is pumping out so much pollution that even the Olympics have been affected. 

We're not in a depression yet, but we will be!

Mike


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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #123 on: August 20, 2008, 11:14:43 pm »
National DEBT = 9.5 Trillion

Projected 2008 DEFICIT = 410 Billion


Our deficit is an annual amount that we have OVERSPENT, and our National Debt is the accumulation of these deficits.  Our deficit is not in the trillions (though give them time), our national debt is...

The absolute sick thing about this is that we paid over 400 BILLION this last year alone in interest payments on the National Debt, the THIRD largest expense for the federal goverment.

Everytime we cut the tax RATE, revenue increases to the goverment... the problem is THE CONGRESS (the President cannot spend a dime without Congress' approval) SPENDS ALL OF THE INCREASE AND THEN SPEND SOME MORE ON TOP OF THIS...  When will we learn to elect politicians who do not do this...

What makes me crazy is when people are LITERALLY scammed into thinking that if we tax companies (I.e. - the latest "windfall profit tax"), it will help them.  People actually think they get the money, but don't realize that the increased taxes to a company are PASSED BACK TO THEM IN PRICE INCREASES, and then to add insult to injury, the "windfall taxes" that would be collected would not applied to the national debt, but again spent, and more borrowed to cover it. 

Guess who gets to pay for all this.... YOU!

YOU, the people... pay the increased costs PASSED BACK TO YOU by the company/industry being taxed!

YOU, the people... pay the costs to ADMINISTER this tax!

YOU, the people... pay the interest on the national debt that will go up

So, you get socked royally all in the name of "fairness" and the illusion...

People should REVOLT at the fact that we have spend 2.5 TRILLION dollars (more than the total federal income of 2.4 TRILLION for 2007) from 2000-2007.  The equivalent of a whole years operating budget for the federal goverment GONE in seven years JUST TO PAY THE INTEREST and NOTHING TOWARDS THE PRINCIPAL!  Talk about a Ponzi scheme!

In the meantime, the Congress, whose members get a six-figure paycheck, staff, pensions, basically FREE healthcare, etc. feels no shame or sense of obligation in TAKING a 5-week vacation while leaving the people in the lurch to deal with the problems CREATED BY THEM!

UNBELIEVABLE how gullible and easily distracted people are...  while I disagree that we are in a "depression" or going to be there anytime soon, I do agree that a time will come when we will have to pay the piper...

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Re: Mccain? Obama? THIS IS A MUST READ!
« Reply #124 on: August 22, 2008, 03:11:48 pm »
Obama is not the guy for the job!  Aside from him proposing to raise capital gains from 15% to over 35% which is not good for my business, he supports the moral deterioration of society with his rediculous views.

p.s. Burning the American flag is NOT a freedom of speech issue!



This email is full of hard, cold, true facts and comes in three parts:
Part 1
 Just two years ago, remember the election in 2006?
 Thought you might like to read the following:
 

 
In just two short years:
1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%.

 
Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we have seen:

 
1) Consumer confidence plummet;
2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $3.50 a gallon;
3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);
4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate (stock and mutual fund losses);
5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars;
6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.

 
America voted for change in 2006, and we got it!

 
Remember it's Congress that makes law not the President. He has to work with what's handed to him.
Part 2:
Taxes... Whether Democrat or a Republican you will find these statistics enlightening and amazing.

 Www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.HTML

Taxes under Clinton 1999                              Taxes under Bush 2008
Single making 30K - tax $8,400         Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $14,000       Single making 50K - tax 12,500
Single making 75K - tax $23,250       Single making 75K - tax 18,750
Married making 60K - tax $16,800    Married making 60K- tax 9,000
Married making 75K - tax $21,000    Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Married mking 125K - tax $38,750   Married making 125K - tax $31,250

Both democratic candidates will return to the higher tax rates
It is amazing how many people that fall into the categories above think Bush is screwing them and Bill Clinton was the greatest President ever. If Obama or Hillary are elected, they both say they will repeal the Bush tax cuts and a good portion of the people that fall into the categories above can't wait for it to happen. This is like the movie The Sting with Paul Newman<you scam somebody out of some money and they don't even know what happened.


 
PART 3:
You think the war in Iraq is costing us too much? Read this:
Boy am I confused.  I have been hammered with the propaganda that it is the Iraq war and the war on terror that is bankrupting us.
I now find that to be RIDICULOUS.
I hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and over again until they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them.  I have included the URL's for verification of all the following facts.


1.      $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments.     Verify at: http://tinyurl.com/zob77
2.      $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.     Verify at: http://www.cis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
3.      $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.     Verify at: http://www.cis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
4.     $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!     Verify at:  http://transcripts.CNN.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0html
5.      $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.     Verify at http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
6.  $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.     Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
7.  30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.     Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
8.  $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.   Verify at: http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html
9.  $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.    Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
10.  The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens.  In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US     < STRONG>Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html
11.  During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries.  Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border.     Verify at: Homeland Security Report:  http://tinyurl.com/t9sht
12.  The National Policy Institute, 'estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of  between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.'     Verify at:  http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf
13.  In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin.     Verify at: http://w wwre nse.com/general75/niht.htm
14.  'The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States '     Verify at: http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml


The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR. 
Are we THAT stupid?


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Offline MikeInCali

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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #125 on: August 22, 2008, 06:00:54 pm »
The names Fidel Castro, Adolph Hilter and Stalin come to mind....they were only one person who brainwashed their country into giving up its rights.  I'm not saying that Obama is this person; but there is proof that he has deeply studied Marxism.

Yes, Obama is a marxist, communist, socialist, islamic elitist bent on taking over the world in a SPECTRE or possibly Dr. Evil style.  He may also be part Martian and possibly a terminator sent by our future enemies. 
But at least he studied something, unlike our current president.

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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #126 on: August 23, 2008, 09:07:03 am »
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Yes, Obama is a marxist, communist, socialist, islamic elitist bent on taking over the world ...

I agree!

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Dr. Jack Wheeler Regarding Obama
« Reply #127 on: August 25, 2008, 05:34:34 pm »
This puts a whole new slant on the O-man, deeper understanding to say the least!

Jack Wheeler is a brilliant man who was the author of Reagan's strategy to break the back of the Soviet Union with the star wars race and expose their inner weakness. For years he wrote a weekly intelligence update that was extremely interesting and well structured and informed. He consults(ed) with several mega corporations on global trends and the future, etc. I think he is in semi-retirement now. He is a true patriot with a no-nonsense approach to everything. He is also a somewhat well known mountain climber and adventurer.

Subject: Dr. Jack Wheeler Regarding Obama

Written by Dr. Jack Wheeler

The O-man, Barack Hussein Obama, is an eloquently tailored empty suit. No resume, no accomplishments, no experience, no original ideas, no understanding of how the economy works, no understanding of how the world works, no balls, nothing but abstract empty rhetoric devoid of real substance.

He has no real identity. He is half-white, which he rejects. The rest of him is mostly Arab, which he hides but is disclosed by his non-African Arabic surname and his Arabic first and middle names as a way to triply proclaim his Arabic parentage to people in Kenya . Only a small part of him is African Black from his Luo grandmother, which he pretends he is exclusively.

What he isn't, not a genetic drop of, is 'African-American,' the descendant of enslaved Africans brought to America chained in slave ships. He hasn't a single ancestor who was a slave. Instead, his Arab ancestors were slave owners. Slave-trading was the main Arab business in East Africa for centuries until the British ended it.

Let that sink in: Obama is not the descendant of slaves, he is the descendant of slave owners. Thus he makes the perfect Liberal Messiah.

It's something Hillary doesn't understand - how some complete neophyte came out of the blue and stole the Dem nomination from her. Obamamania is beyond politics and reason. It is a true religious cult, whose adherents rej ect Christianity yet still believe in Original Sin, transferring it from the evil of being human to the evil of being white.

Thus Obama has become the 'white liberals' Christ, offering absolution from the Sin of Being White. There is no reason or logic behind it, no faults or flaws of his can diminish it, no arguments Hillary could make of any kind can be e ffective against it. The absurdity of Hypocrisy Clothed In Human Flesh being their Savior is all the more cause for liberals to worship him: Credo quia absurdum, I believe it because it is absurd.

Thank heavens that the voting majority of Americans remain Christian and are in no desperate need of a phony savior.

His candidacy is ridiculous and should not be taken seriously by any thinking American.

Offline MikeInCali

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Re: Dr. Jack Wheeler Regarding Obama
« Reply #128 on: August 25, 2008, 06:40:22 pm »
Jack Wheeler is a brilliant man

Below are a few links to and about another article your genius wrote.  In this one he writes how McCain collaborated with the commies during his POW days.  Apparently his time in isolation was actually isolation with prostitutes!  :beer No wonder he refused early release! 

But wait just maybe its not true.  But hey if something supports your politics definately spread it around like truth.  Just like that debunked letter from a soldier in Afgahnistan who said Obama treated the soldiers poorly.  Everyone emailed that around.  I even saw it printed in the newspaper. 

This guy may have come up with a good strategy against the Soviets 25 yrs ago, but I think presently he's a crackpot.

http://dickmcdonald.blogspot.com/2008_02_01_archive.html#8179713279047273288

http://bamapachyderm.com/archives/2008/02/04/conservative-jack-wheeler-is-a-lying-dishonorable-hack/

http://www.modernconservative.com/metablog_single.php?p=1422




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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #129 on: August 29, 2008, 06:01:58 pm »
So what did you think of Obama's speech last night?    :rolleyes

What about McCains women VP selection?

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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #130 on: September 04, 2008, 08:06:18 am »
WOW!  Sarah Palin gave a GREAT speech last night.  The entire tone of the election has changed and I'm not as concerned as I was about having a pure socialist (Osama Obama) as president.  When Campbell Brown of CNN says good things about a Republican, you KNOW that the democrats are in trouble.  There is no doubt in my mind that Palin will get a lot of the female vote, including a lot of disgruntled democrats.

Obama made a HUGE mistake when he let his hatred of Bill and Hillary affect his judgment!  With Hillary on the ticket, they would have been hard to beat.  With Palin on McCain's ticket, he's got it all:  the female vote, the conservative vote, the independent vote - WOW!  I'm a hard person to impress, but I WAS IMPRESSED!

Maybe there is hope yet that the government won't pile more taxes on our backs and that an administration may actually get out of the way of small business!

Mike
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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #131 on: September 04, 2008, 08:27:17 am »
I thought Propertymanager was a pit bull.

Sorry Mike....Sarah's got you beat.

-Mike

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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #132 on: September 04, 2008, 10:05:45 am »
I thought the speech was good, but the hypocrisy of the Republican party is pretty astounding. To run an entire campaign about Obama's experience, and then bring in Sarah Palin as VP? I thought giving speeches to big crowds didn't matter, and was just a "celebrity" thing anyway? Oh but now it's ok. Now we want to win, so the rules change. It's typical Republican hypocrisy in action folks. It's beyond tiring to watch an entire party lie, cheat, and steal for a shot at power, and then be forced to watch watch as otherwise good people get deceived by it. It seems like sometimes we live in the United States of Amnesia.

The only defense the Dems really need this election is Bill Clinton in the years 1992-2000 when our foreign policy of containment on Saddam was working, our MASSIVE deficit was a surplus, the American dollar was strong, FEMA was actually a competent department, and negotiating power around the world was at an all time high. President Bush ran on a policy similar to that, and it's why he won. No nation building, no policing the world, humble foreign policy, smaller government, stronger economy. Well guess what? It was a lie! The government is BIGGER! We earn $7,000 LESS in real income per year! We're building permanent bases in Iraq, and we're talking about invading Iran, but Osama is still at large! We're closer than ever to a NA union, and our individual liberties get trampled under the abuses of the Oval Office. THIS is what we voted in with a Republican President AND a Republican Congress 8 years ago. There is no excuse.

Make no mistake folks. Don't let the lies and skillful deception lead you away from the truth, that 4 years of McCain will just continue on with these policies. While McCain and even Palin may even be ok individually, the Party needs to go. You can't expect change, reform or anything else without accountability, and these disastrous policies are a direct result of 8 years of a Republican President, and 6 years of a Republican Congress. Every time someone wants to bring up the Republican playblook of higher taxes and Socialism, just remind them that Clinton was accused of the same thing...6 months before 8 years of socio-economic boom.

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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #133 on: September 04, 2008, 02:47:10 pm »
I really liked Palin.  I also liked how Rudy G. gave alot of jabs at Obama, was fun....

With that said, im not buying into this "Maverick" talk about Mccain.  When the guy votes 90% of the time with Bush and has many pictures on different occasions hugging Bush its really hard to think he will distance himself. Palin was pretty great last night.

My vote will go to Bob Barr/Ron Paul (even if hes dropped out) for the simple fact that they are simply best for the job.  I dont want to look back 4 years from now and have my finger prints on a Obama or Mccain vote.

With that said, Mccain is much better than Obama.


Palins daughters are hott too......
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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #134 on: September 05, 2008, 06:04:48 am »
At least Gov. Palin has a verifiable record of reform and executive experience.  Talk about hypocrisy...you have the Dem. Presidential Nominee who has experience writing books and voting "present" on numerous items.  How can he knock someone who went against her own party and cut frivolous spending?  And then there's the Dem. controlled congress that's been ABSOLUTELY worthless since they took over the majority...
I'll leave Gov. Palin's daughters out of it since they're underage, but I do think she is pretty hot.
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