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Who is going to be our Next President in 2009?

John McCain
23 (42.6%)
Barack Obama
28 (51.9%)
Ralph Nader
0 (0%)
Donald Duck
3 (5.6%)

Total Members Voted: 52

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Offline ElephantNest

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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #60 on: July 26, 2008, 07:43:20 am »
LMAO @ those who think the Republican party has gotten us into this recession/mess.

Things were going fine, UNTIL the DEMOCRATS took over Congress.

A vote for Obama, is a vote for Osama. Get a clue. He could CARE LESS about this country, his wife doesn't even LIKE it here. He's just a smooth talking, lying POS who WILL make you PAY ($$$) if he is elected. We will (continue) to pay with our wallets, and I will promise you, many lives will be lost. He has no clue.

Is McCain perfect?? Hell no, but he DOES love this country, and was (is) willing to DIE for it.

I'll say it again:

A VOTE FOR OBAMA IS A VOTE FOR OSAMA.
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Offline propertymanager

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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #61 on: July 26, 2008, 07:52:49 am »
The real issue in this election is not about soundbites or about the skin color of the next president.  The issue here is that we have one SOCIALIST and one socialist lite running for president.  Obama is a globalist and a socialist and will do GREAT DAMAGE to our capitalist society.  Anyone that actually hopes to be an entrepreneur should understand what that means.  Unfortunately, while McCain would be better, he won't be much better.  He's bought into a lot of the socialist nonsense and will also damage our society.

As for congress, they're generally a bunch of idiots.  Unfortunately, the most incompetent people in this country are the ones that run for congress.  All the bailouts and money being handed out by the nuts in Washington are destroying the country right before our eyes.

The best days of the United States are in the rear view mirror.  I guess that's natural.  Every great society has had only a short time in the spotlight.

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Offline allagash

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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #62 on: July 26, 2008, 12:10:49 pm »
If I had 5 minutes with Warren Buffett, I'd want to ask him why he's for Obama.

-Mike

Offline propertymanager

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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #63 on: July 26, 2008, 03:34:58 pm »
Many of the ultra rich ARE for Barack Hussein Osama Obama.  That's because socialism is all about POWER - the power to control the lives of the average peons.  Look at any socialist regime - all the power is concentrated with the ultra rich.  So, if you're ultra rich - socialism is for you. 

Mike
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Offline RDO

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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #64 on: July 26, 2008, 03:59:06 pm »
Bill Cosby on Rev. Wright & Obama

Article from Wall Street Journal:

Rev.Wright epitomizes the thoughts and actions that have prevented and continue to prevent black America from moving ahead and achieving their potential as a people. He suggests that this United States of America made up of sons and daughters of immigrants (I'm talking of the millions of 1st, 2nd, 3rd generation immigrants in this country) of every race, creed, color and religion each and everyone of them who had nothing to do with slavery, some how owe something to a group of people who have never been slaves? Its amazing. It seems everyone is to blame for the shambles black society is in with its violence, drugs, high school drop out rates, misogyny, and a host o f other real and virulent problems, except for the very people who engage in such behavior.

Enough. As a society, culture or people, they should look within themselves and fix their problems.

When did this man become the spokesman for the 'black church'? And of course his church is different, but that doesn't mean his message and philosophy is acceptable, or productive or non-offensive or not-racist or indicative or our greater cultural behaviors, values and norms of Americans.

And yes, the link between this man and Obama really does matter. At a very minimum, it provides insight into the political and philosophical strain that Obama adheres to.


Comment by Bill Cosby

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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #65 on: July 27, 2008, 01:33:32 pm »

Quote of the week from Sir Charles Barkley:

"Poor People have been voting for Democrats for the last 50 years ... and they are still poor."

Offline p1nn4cl3

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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #66 on: July 27, 2008, 02:14:42 pm »
Watch this video !!!

http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?RsrcID=2036


Ugh that was awful. Republicans do well with talk radio, but they are apparently light years behind the dems when it comes to the net.

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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #67 on: July 27, 2008, 03:39:20 pm »
Obama flip/flops on Iraq issues... watch youtube video...

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVy5REoiDJo

Offline furnishedowner

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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #68 on: July 27, 2008, 11:17:41 pm »
ElephantNest and Propertymanager:

It is offensive every time that you call the Democratic presidential candidate "Osama", the name of a notorious terrorist and murderer. This demeans you and negates what you are trying to communicate. You can do better than that.

Also, Mike, the ultra-rich HATE Socialism. Under Socialism they are taxed to death. As in England, where manor houses had to be opened for public tours as the rich could no longer pay for them; they were taxed so heavily.

It is the rich who leave many of the "Socialist" countries and emigrate to more entrepreneur-friendly countries like the United States.

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Offline propertymanager

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« Reply #69 on: July 28, 2008, 06:06:18 pm »
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It is the rich who leave many of the "Socialist" countries and emigrate to more entrepreneur-friendly countries like the United States.

So, if you know that socialists tax the entrepreneurs, "the rich", into oblivion, why are you defending Obama, who is an overt socialist?  Are you planning to give up being an entrepreneur in hopes of getting a socialist handout?

Mike
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Offline furnishedowner

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« Reply #70 on: July 28, 2008, 10:11:13 pm »
Mike,
I don't believe Obama is a socialist. I have listened to him a number of times and I think he believes in the American entrepreneurial spirit. I am really not worried about this country going totally socialist.
 
Some socialist programs I would absolutely vote for: socialized medicine for one. It is a scandal when our infant death rate is somewhere around 28th in the world and we are such a rich country. We can afford to have a socialist-type safety net so that the insane, infirm, retarded, and elderly receive needed care. A civilized country takes care of it resources. That includes the health of its populace.

I hope you can visit Europe someday and observe real socialism in action. I have cousins in Denmark and they tell me only 1 spouse can work as the income of the 2nd spouse would go entirely to taxes. So why work? Also, the reliance on the government is much too great and they protest wrongs too little!

Here you can start work with little or no governmental regulation. By that, I mean you can put a sign in front of your house:"Babysitting","Yard Mowing", "Bookkeeper", "Transmissions Fixed", or whatever. You can do none of those things in many European countries without a license, permit, special degree from a trade school, etc.

That is what I love about this country. I can go in and remodel a house, fix a bathroom, whatever I want. In Denmark I MUST hire the certified carpenter, electrician, bricklayer. You can't do it yourself or you will be found out and fined. My cousins are flabbergasted that I have built a business in 4 years and with almost nil governmental regulation and interference.

Relax, Mike. This is still a capitalist country and Obama and McCain are both capitalists. We're gonna be alright.

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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #71 on: July 29, 2008, 07:58:02 am »
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I don't believe Obama is a socialist.

I would suggest that you do some research on his policies.  He IS a socialist and so are many in what was formerly the Democratic Party.  He favors socialized medicine; seizing "excess" profits from the oil industry (even though their profit margin is much lower than many other businesses); seizing "excess" profits from big pharma, instituting a cap and trade system that WILL destroy our economy.  Not a socialist - c'mon!

In addition, if you would do just a LITTLE research, you would discover that there are a lot of direct connections between Obama and the DSA (Democratic Socialists of America).  They even endorsed him for his 1996 state senate seat.  Do you remember the recent flap in the media about his campaign workers having a flag of Che Guevara in his campaign office?  The guy could not possibly be a more overt socialist - just look it up!

You talk about how bad socialism is in Europe and how they stifle business, but you also say "I am really not worried about this country going totally socialist."  Are you kidding?  How much socialism is ok with you?  50%?  75%?  Are you ok with the wackos socializing big oil (as Maxine Waters and other "democrats" have suggested), big pharma, our medical system provided they don't socialize YOUR business?  Let me tell you that they could easily decide to socialize the rental business as a first step toward seizing all private property.  All Osama Obama needs is to get a foothold.  Socializing medicine followed by socializing big oil would be a huge first step!

NOTHING is more important to the future of our country than this next election.  This election will be a fundamental decision about how far into socialism were headed.  I would vote for capitalism, but there isn't a candidate running on that platform (except maybe Bob Barr).

Mike
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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #72 on: July 29, 2008, 10:46:44 am »
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I don't believe Obama is a socialist.

I would suggest that you do some research on his policies.  He IS a socialist and so are many in what was formerly the Democratic Party.  He favors socialized medicine; seizing "excess" profits from the oil industry (even though their profit margin is much lower than many other businesses); seizing "excess" profits from big pharma, instituting a cap and trade system that WILL destroy our economy.  Not a socialist - c'mon!

In addition, if you would do just a LITTLE research, you would discover that there are a lot of direct connections between Obama and the DSA (Democratic Socialists of America).  They even endorsed him for his 1996 state senate seat.  Do you remember the recent flap in the media about his campaign workers having a flag of Che Guevara in his campaign office?  The guy could not possibly be a more overt socialist - just look it up!

You talk about how bad socialism is in Europe and how they stifle business, but you also say "I am really not worried about this country going totally socialist."  Are you kidding?  How much socialism is ok with you?  50%?  75%?  Are you ok with the wackos socializing big oil (as Maxine Waters and other "democrats" have suggested), big pharma, our medical system provided they don't socialize YOUR business?  Let me tell you that they could easily decide to socialize the rental business as a first step toward seizing all private property.  All Osama Obama needs is to get a foothold.  Socializing medicine followed by socializing big oil would be a huge first step!

NOTHING is more important to the future of our country than this next election.  This election will be a fundamental decision about how far into socialism were headed.  I would vote for capitalism, but there isn't a candidate running on that platform (except maybe Bob Barr).

Mike


Sorry Mike, but you are wrong on this. Obama actually breaks away from his party when it comes to the far left Socialists. You need to get news outside of Rush Limbaugh in the afternoon.

He appointed Jason Furman in June to be is Economic Policy Director. That actually ANGERED the leftists as Furman is a Centrist on Economic policy. Yes, they both believe in universal health care, but Furman's path to achieve it is much more likely to combine spending decreases along with tax adjustments. He is not popular with the far-left in favor of complete redistribution. He's also a supporter of privatizing Social Security. How many Socialists do you see supporting that? You can read an article on it here: US News and World Report. That particular article also talks about Obama's chief economic advisor Austan Goolsbee. Goolsbee is actually AGAINST universal health care, which drives the liberals nuts.


To me, Obama sounds like a man confident in having a lot of dissenting opinions around him which is a trait I admire. Obama does want to remove the Bush tax cuts, and raise taxes on higher end investments, but I think it's naive to assume we can get away without this. The Douglas Holtz (McCain economic director) approach to is basically a revamped trickle-down theory. Create jobs by giving tax breaks to small business owners. I love this idea, and we should always be conscious of the effects our policies have on that sector, but I just don't think it's enough. According to the Associated Press our deficit is going to be half a trillion dollars by next year? I agree we can't tax people into oblivion to pay for this insane government spending, but neither can we use this trickle down approach for job creation, which simply takes too long and doesn't usually achieve its desired outcome.

Bottom line, all signs point to Obama having a Centrist economic agenda. You've heard the old saying, the way to know a successful negotiation took place is when neither side leaves happy? This is what Obama is doing right now to the far left, and far right.




Offline propertymanager

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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #73 on: July 29, 2008, 03:11:33 pm »
Did you even read the article you posted.  The author's conclusion was:

"Obama wants to raise taxes on investments, incomes, and corporations. Obama wants government to intervene as never before into the health insurance market. Obama wants to reorganize the U.S. economy around eliminating carbon emissions. Yet that's not enough for Klein?"

That sounds like a socialist to me. 

Don't be fooled by the wackos on the far left.  Obama is half-heartedly faking a centerist agenda (by taking both sides of many issues) so that he can get elected, but he is PURE SOCIALIST.  McCain would be a LITTLE more to the center, but he won't be a lot better.  I choose Option C.

Mike
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« Reply #74 on: July 29, 2008, 03:51:54 pm »

Obama is making a huge effort to try to sneak to the center rather than be branded for what he is - a far-left fringe lunatic.

Mike is calling it as he sees it (and VERY correctly).  Obama is a Socialist.  Hillary is worse but it is what it is....


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