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Who is going to be our Next President in 2009?

John McCain
23 (42.6%)
Barack Obama
28 (51.9%)
Ralph Nader
0 (0%)
Donald Duck
3 (5.6%)

Total Members Voted: 52

Author Topic: Mccain? Obama?  (Read 96814 times)

Offline brockovich

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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #45 on: July 02, 2008, 07:40:01 pm »
I don't like either of these candidates. I'm voting for Bob Barr. He'll never win but at least I can feel good about exercising my right to vote. Obama would be horrible for American business, especially real estate where doubling the capital gains tax could be crippling. McCain is clueless and they all pander relentlessly.

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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #46 on: July 03, 2008, 08:34:23 am »
I don't like either of these candidates. I'm voting for Bob Barr. He'll never win but at least I can feel good about exercising my right to vote. Obama would be horrible for American business, especially real estate where doubling the capital gains tax could be crippling. McCain is clueless and they all pander relentlessly.

OK, out of the 2 who rose to the top, anyone who is a full time investor has to vote for McCain. It just makes the most sense..

BUT

If no one really likes the 2 who are running, then HOW did we end up with these 2 is my question?  :banghead
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Offline ko929

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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #47 on: July 14, 2008, 04:02:53 am »
Change is certainly what you'll get with Osama, however, I'm don't think socialism is going to be good for anyone.  Seems like everywhere else it has been tried, it has failed.   Personally, I'd rather keep our freedom and send all the socialists to Cuba!

Mike


Im not quite understanding how you are not able to call Barack Hussein Obama by his real name?  I read you blog on your website and was about to purchase a couple of copies of your books(the link in your signature) as gifts for some of my investor associates,  but i have decided against it because of your lack of respect for a fellow american that has earned his chance to represent his country.  Your opinions are yours, and i respect that, but  comparing obama to osama is very distasteful. 

Offline propertymanager

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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #48 on: July 14, 2008, 06:59:54 am »
ko929,

I believe that respect is earned, not bestowed.  Barack Hussein is a socialist and, if elected, will do more to destroy the United States than Osama could ever have hoped to do.  Socialism is the opposite of what entrepreneurs are about.  Entrepreneurs (captialists) believe in allowing the free market to work, not in the government seizing control of everything.  Therefore, I have absolutely no respect for Obama, whose grand plan is to seize profits from big business and entrepreneurs and give it to those that are too lazy to work.

Having said all of that, I strongly do not approve of what the Bush Administration is doing either.   The government should get out of the way of business, not bail it out!  Today is a perfect example of Bush's idiot policy of bailing out anyone and everyone!!!  On Friday, IndyMac Bank Failed and Freddie and Fannie were reported to be on the verge of insolvency.  Today, stock market futures are way up because the idiots in the government are promising a blank check to keep Freddie and Fannie afloat.  Ridiculous!  There is a HUGE price to be paid for all of these bailouts and the tab is getting higher every day.  Payment will be made in the price of a severe recession or depression.  Bailing out all these companies is just making the payment higher and the coming depression much worse.

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Offline brujohnson123

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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #49 on: July 14, 2008, 07:35:30 am »
What does respect and change mean to you Propertymanager?
I guess I will attempt to understand where you are coming from until I pass judgement against you. For one Obama is not president yet and lets say for example that McCain wins what make you think that he will be any better than this former administration or even make matters worse? :flush I can understand your concern about the banks turning over to the feds but you have to understand that the banks are the ones crying for  :help not the government stating that they are taking over just because.

The banks especially IndyMac stated that they could not handle the massive number of deposits that were coming in. The FDIC whole purpose is to be able to protect and insure accounts up to $100,000. Then turn around and try to sell it later to a bigger bank. Much like your administratin is doing now on the war on terrorism. Going in trying to westernize Iraq and afghanistan then turn around and leave when they feel like they will be able to up and run their country. Sounds like your administration is calling for the govenrnment. Then again all these job losses and jobs going to foreign countries. Ever since this adminsitration has gone into office we have been suffering depression emotionally, financially and losing our country all together.

Personally I do not think that you should get off calling someone a terrorist before you even seen what Obama can do if he elected into office. If anyone needs to be compare to Osama it should be Bush he has killed more people in the state of Texas than any other govenor of the state and really shows not real remorse for the many of fallen soilders that have died under his administration. :deal These are all facts not a matter of opinions, how many people has Barrak Obama killed?  :shocked

Has Barrack Obama sat down with you personally and told you his plan?

Please help me understand your position

Offline hthompson001

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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #50 on: July 14, 2008, 09:29:10 am »
Obama has not voted in congress as person who favors the capitalist way of America.  He DOES support socialist programs such as welfare and amnesty which will come out of OUR pockets.   With the unemployment rate going up do you really want to take jobs from Americans and give them to people who broke the law getting here?
Honestly, we don't really have a track record with him because his term as senator he's been promoting his book on Oprah or campaigning for the Presidency.  We have a good record of what he says he will do, but not of what he has done.
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Offline propertymanager

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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #51 on: July 14, 2008, 07:44:37 pm »
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For one Obama is not president yet and lets say for example that McCain wins what make you think that he will be any better than this former administration or even make matters worse?

I will not be voting for either Obama (the socialist) or McCain (the liberal).  Both will be very bad for America.  Likewise, from an economic standpoint, I think President Bush has done a TERRIBLE JOB, although I think he has done a reasonable job on national defense.

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The banks especially IndyMac stated that they could not handle the massive number of deposits that were coming in.

The bank would have been fine if massive numbers of deposits were coming in - it was the massive number of withdrawals that were the problem.  However, regardless, it is not the government's job to keep all large businesses afloat.  That is certainly not capitalism or a good example of a free market.  The FDIC should make good on the deposits up to $100,000 and then shut the business down, leaving the shareholders (owners) with NOTHING!  That kind of example will help bankers in the future to think about who they want to loan money to.  Bailing out incompetent bankers just tells the banks that they can do whatever they like and the taxpayers will pick up the tab when they get in trouble.

Socialism does not work!  That has certainly been shown over and over.  Once it arrives (and it will soon), our country will collapse and we'll be starting over!  That's why I think Obama is so dangerous (and I wouldn't say that McPain will be much better)!

Mike
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Offline Liquidity

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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #52 on: July 14, 2008, 07:55:50 pm »
The banks especially IndyMac stated that they could not handle the massive number of deposits that were coming in

yeah Indy mac was seized by the government because business was too good.

Bru do you have any idea what your talking about ???  please go read more about indy mac, fannie and freddie mac situations. they are all over the internet.


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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #53 on: July 15, 2008, 02:21:13 pm »
ko929,

I believe that respect is earned, not bestowed.  Barack Hussein is a socialist and, if elected, will do more to destroy the United States than Osama could ever have hoped to do. 

Socialism is the opposite of what entrepreneurs are about. 

 Entrepreneurs (captialists) believe in allowing the free market to work, not in the government seizing control of everything.  Therefore, I have absolutely no respect for Obama, whose grand plan is to seize profits from big business and entrepreneurs and give it to those that are too lazy to work.


Mike these are some very tough words but from what I can read about President John Macain and Senator Obama you make a very strong point here.  It should be interesting to see who they both select as running mates?

One issue I am having is, how can you trust what you read or what you hear on either of the two?

You just wait until 30 days before the election when your home phone (mine isunlisted) cell phone, e-mail, and home snail mail with be FLOODED with VOTE FOR ME - VOTE FOR ME crap.  :flush

I wish the election was already over so we can move forward on to other things...
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Offline kdhastedt

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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #54 on: July 17, 2008, 08:55:46 am »

<<One issue I am having is, how can you trust what you read or what you hear on either of the two?>

That's easy - YOU CAN'T, theyre policiticians. 

Here's one hint -

Q - 'How can you tell when a politician is lying?' 
A - 'His/her lips move'


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Offline Bluemoon06

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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #55 on: July 17, 2008, 09:18:10 am »

<<One issue I am having is, how can you trust what you read or what you hear on either of the two?>

That's easy - YOU CAN'T, theyre policiticians. 

Here's one hint -

Q - 'How can you tell when a politician is lying?' 
A - 'His/her lips move'


Keith

I agree.  I was watching McCain (not just about him) and  a reporter asked him if he thought it was fair that Medicare covered Viagra but not contraceptives.  He got all wrapped around the axle trying to answer that question.  You and I both know he has an opinion on that.  But he does not want to lose votes because of what comes out of his mouth.  What they say has nothing at all to do with what they think.
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Offline p1nn4cl3

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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #56 on: July 20, 2008, 11:43:06 pm »
This has been a very civil conversation considering the topic. I think that deserves a shoutout in itself. :beer

I am considering voting in Barack as President, but with a Republican Congress. Let's face it, the Presidency is not a monarchy. They are just mastheads for their party. They set the agenda, talk to the media, and meet with foreign leaders. I like the idea of a well-spoken idealist in this role.

Congress is where the action happens though, and where the laws are made. I'll vote for any Libertarian running in my State who I think has a shot, but barring that I'll vote Republican. I've heard Barack is good at working across the isle, and maneuvering to get his laws passed. I say let him do just that, and vote out the Democrats who have done nothing so far with their chance in the Congressional seats.
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Offline sunnyskyinvestor

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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #58 on: July 26, 2008, 02:14:01 am »
RDO -- that is not a fair video. Every person's life can be spun here or there based on video clips, one person they look up to, or their personal family history. If it was G Bush that video could go 13 HOURS!

SO WHAT?

I went to a Catholic school and learned why I didn't want to be Catholic as an adult. Learning about the religion has nothing to do with believing it -- Obama has gone to many lengths to correct that misperception. HE IS A CHRISTIAN -- people find their way to Christianity in their adult lives -- ex. MR. 'BORN AGAIN' BUSH!

Every grandparent in this country would get mad if their grandchild/child came home with person of a different race. They were of a different time. He was a product of that time...HELLO! He doesn't hate his white grandmother and vice versa.

How many Catholics still look up to priests even though the church as been harboring pedophiles for years?  That's far worse than Obama's respect for a man who can't touch the power of the Pope. I don't believe everything my mom believes but I respect her tremendously. I think Obama thinks for himself.

So he's the bad guy for suggesting negotiating with terrorist countries...how do you think these things were prevented in the past? They paid them off to leave people alone! Just b/c it wasn't running in the paper every day with a red terror alert to scare you into hating other countries & their leaders doesn't mean anything. We were just ignorant to it so we'd keep shopping & spending money. We don't usually care about other country's problems until they scare us into hating those people which this administration did.

I'm not saying he's perfect but this kind of video perpetuates hate and ignorance. He's got charisma, smarts, speaks English well, listens and I'd rather him speak for me than McCain or Hillary. I am very proud to see that a black man may lead our country one day. It speaks to our progress as a nation.

And the hand over heart thing -- have you been to hockey game lately??? Most people don't know that is the proper thing to do! Choosing not to do it is not a criminal violation. Some people chose not to revere "idols" or "objects" like statues or flags. So what? I put my hand over my heart but that's my preference.

The fact is that Obama is not that powerful or connected -- as say -- Mr. Bush to dangerous foreign governments. It is a strange coincidence that his name is close to Osama's but so was the fact that we had BUSH, DICK & COLON running the country at one time (no one saw things going down the toilet ahead of time).

If we've SURVIVED 7.5 years with a C student prez, I'm thinking we can handle 4 years of Mr. Obama. 


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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #59 on: July 26, 2008, 03:19:42 am »
Watch this video !!!

http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?RsrcID=2036

Soundbites will never hold up in my book. Anyone who makes theories off of soundbites should walk up to a wall and  :banghead 

Also, Rev Wright was never running for president, so who cares what he thinks or says. I can go to Germany right now and I'd be associated with Bush, just for being American. (And I think the Bush Administration is horrible. lol)

Associations, Soundbites, and the Media are horrible ways of trying to choose the right candidate. That's just my opinion.

Imagine doing a real estate deal with bits and pieces of information. You're asking for trouble.
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