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Who is going to be our Next President in 2009?

John McCain
23 (42.6%)
Barack Obama
28 (51.9%)
Ralph Nader
0 (0%)
Donald Duck
3 (5.6%)

Total Members Voted: 52

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Offline dd564

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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2008, 07:18:54 am »
Hoosier,

You are thinking about the wrong business if you're backing Osama.  He IS a socialist who wants government to control everything in this country, including private enterprise.  I do agree with you that Bush is not a conservative and has done a terrible job with government spending.  However, I believe that he has generally done a good job on the war.  We have decimated Al Qaeda in Iraq and the war was worth it just for that.  I hope you're not tired of war yet, because Iran MUST be dealt with in the next few months.  If we don't do it, Israel MUST or they simply won't survive.

I know that you're getting toward the end of school.  It's a shame that they don't teach history anymore.  If they did, you would know that you can't appease tyrants and Osama's idea of "talking" with our enemies is just plain appeasement.

The next few years with President Osama will be a disaster for business.

Mike

Fear-mongering.

How close to West Virginia do you live?  I respect your advice about real estate and rentals, but to repeatedly get his name wrong shows either

#1  A lack of knowledge on your part

And / Or

#2  A real need to fear-monger votes

How is Obama any closer to being Osama Bin Laden than you are?

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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #16 on: June 10, 2008, 07:23:14 am »
I think dd564 was being sarcastic to make a point (at least I hope)

Ding Ding.  Winner winner chicken dinner!

I laugh how Propertymanager Mike goes into his fear mongering playbook by calling Obama "Osama" three times.

When I choose a candidate to vote for, I'll always support the side who uses Name Calling as fear-mongering tactic!


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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #17 on: June 10, 2008, 07:27:01 am »
I laugh how Propertymanager Mike goes into his fear mongering playbook by calling Obama "Osama" three times.

You say tomato, I say tomatoe but at the end of the day, it's the same thing...

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Offline dd564

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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #18 on: June 10, 2008, 07:40:29 am »
I laugh how Propertymanager Mike goes into his fear mongering playbook by calling Obama "Osama" three times.

You say tomato, I say tomatoe but at the end of the day, it's the same thing...

Keith

Wow!  This is unbelievable.  Where do you live.  Do people actually talk like that where you are at.  Frequent exchanges of Osama for Obama?

How patriotic of you to call another American citizen the name of a leading terrorist with no grounds whatsoever.

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« Reply #19 on: June 10, 2008, 07:43:17 am »
You say Obama, I say socialist money grabber....and, at the end of the day, it's the same thing.
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Offline Hoosier4life2005

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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #20 on: June 10, 2008, 07:51:22 am »
Mccain is the one who totally ignoring how the middle class and poor are struggling right now.   How American is it to ignore like 97%+ of the Americans?  If anybody has been un-American in this whole ordeal its Bush, and Mccain follows his exact principals.

(I dont want to hear any Mccain-army hero stuff, thats not what this is about)
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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #21 on: June 10, 2008, 01:08:34 pm »
Hoosier,
I know from previous posts you have firsthand personal experience with your father's job loss, jobs moving overseas, etc.  Understand that the Democrats are of course going to pander the poor...that's their point...bigger government fixes everything.  The poor are not being ignored because there is welfare, WIC, and other government programs to help.  There are many many people out there getting govt assistance that shouldn't be or that are receiving it for too long.  We shouldn't have a system that pays you to spit out more kids when you aren't even working in the first place.  It's a pretty simple principle.  If my family couldn't afford a dog, we wouldn't get a dog.  There's no incentive for me to go get Fido from the pound if I can't afford it.  The big difference here is that there is financial incentive for someone on welfare to have more kids.  There are plenty of people out there who could work, but there is not enough of a financial incentive to do so because they will lose their handouts.  So they just choose to stay at home.  It's easier to wake up when you want and watch tv than to work.       
I have a HUGE problem with a potential leader of our nation sitting down and negotiating with our known adversaries.  Making this one seemingly harmless move (in Democrats' eyes) will set a precedent that goes against how we operate and engage our enemies as a country.  I can tell you there are plenty of things we do on a national level that show we as a country don't care about other nations' claims if they try to operate outside the boundaries of international law.  You don't have tea and crumpets with leaders who openly want to wipe other countries off the map for merely existing.  It doesn't matter what we say to these people.  If you're not one of them, you are an infidel and need to die. 
As a side note, McCain is a Navy vet (although I'm sure Keith likes your army reference) who has endured many personal struggles and termoil for our country.  I greatly respect him for that.  I sure hope you know something about his history of service to our country because of what you said.
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Offline Hoosier4life2005

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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #22 on: June 10, 2008, 03:25:37 pm »
Hoosier,
I know from previous posts you have firsthand personal experience with your father's job loss, jobs moving overseas, etc.  Understand that the Democrats are of course going to pander the poor...that's their point...bigger government fixes everything.  The poor are not being ignored because there is welfare, WIC, and other government programs to help.  There are many many people out there getting govt assistance that shouldn't be or that are receiving it for too long.  We shouldn't have a system that pays you to spit out more kids when you aren't even working in the first place.  It's a pretty simple principle.  If my family couldn't afford a dog, we wouldn't get a dog.  There's no incentive for me to go get Fido from the pound if I can't afford it.  The big difference here is that there is financial incentive for someone on welfare to have more kids.  There are plenty of people out there who could work, but there is not enough of a financial incentive to do so because they will lose their handouts.  So they just choose to stay at home.  It's easier to wake up when you want and watch tv than to work.       
I have a HUGE problem with a potential leader of our nation sitting down and negotiating with our known adversaries.  Making this one seemingly harmless move (in Democrats' eyes) will set a precedent that goes against how we operate and engage our enemies as a country.  I can tell you there are plenty of things we do on a national level that show we as a country don't care about other nations' claims if they try to operate outside the boundaries of international law.  You don't have tea and crumpets with leaders who openly want to wipe other countries off the map for merely existing.  It doesn't matter what we say to these people.  If you're not one of them, you are an infidel and need to die. 
As a side note, McCain is a Navy vet (although I'm sure Keith likes your army reference) who has endured many personal struggles and termoil for our country.  I greatly respect him for that.  I sure hope you know something about his history of service to our country because of what you said.

I am aware of him being a POW and everything.  I have great respect for Mccain as a person, but his policies closley resemble Bush.  The National Debt is a joke thanks to those exact policies.

To be clear, when I said Mccain was "unAmerican" I didnt mean it the way it came off.  Obviously he is a great American.  I was just  defending Obamas policies as opposed to Mccains.  Mccains policies seem to forget about the middle class and poor and only help the rich, which is complete BS if you ask me.

If it werent for my dad having a degree, he would be still out of work after getting laid off, like many of his friends.  I find it incredible that people are voting for Mccains policies despite the joke unemployement rate.
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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #23 on: June 10, 2008, 04:57:22 pm »
Hoosier,

The coming election is not about Bush.  The coming election is about our way of life.  It's actually quite simple.   The choice is between complete socialism with Barack Hussein and very liberal capitalism with McCain.  To be quite honest, I don't like either one and will probably not vote for either.  I'm waiting to get the complete picture on Bob Barr to see if I could vote for him.  Obviously, Barr will not win and we're probably headed for full blown socialism, which will be an absolute disaster for the country and certainly a disaster for entrepreneurs and business people (including real estate investors).

You talked in your post about your friends who are laid off.  What you may not realize is that government can NOT effectively provide jobs - it just does not work.  In fact, government is a failure at just about everything it does.  So, if you don't like the idea of your friends being laid off now, just wait until the socialists take over and businesses abandon the United States en masse.

We're in our current situation with the high gas and food prices now because we've allowed a few wacko environmentalists to dictate policy.  Clinton prevented the drilling in ANWR more than 10 years ago.  The wackos have stopped wind farms off Cape Cod because Ted Kennedy didn't want the wind turbines to spoil the view in the area where he sails his yacht.  The wackos also have prevented nuclear power plants from being built. 

If you want to fix these problems, what we really need is lower taxes; less regulation; FAR FEWER HANDOUTS; and more capitalism.

Mike
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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #24 on: June 10, 2008, 06:57:13 pm »
I don't like the name-calling or slurs on candidates either. I think it diminishes the writer.

Hoosier, you are pretty amazing for a high school student! You can lock horns with anyone and hold your own.
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« Reply #25 on: June 10, 2008, 07:26:43 pm »
Hoosier,

The coming election is not about Bush.  The coming election is about our way of life.  It's actually quite simple.   The choice is between complete socialism with Barack Hussein and very liberal capitalism with McCain.  To be quite honest, I don't like either one and will probably not vote for either.  I'm waiting to get the complete picture on Bob Barr to see if I could vote for him.  Obviously, Barr will not win and we're probably headed for full blown socialism, which will be an absolute disaster for the country and certainly a disaster for entrepreneurs and business people (including real estate investors).

You talked in your post about your friends who are laid off.  What you may not realize is that government can NOT effectively provide jobs - it just does not work.  In fact, government is a failure at just about everything it does.  So, if you don't like the idea of your friends being laid off now, just wait until the socialists take over and businesses abandon the United States en masse.

We're in our current situation with the high gas and food prices now because we've allowed a few wacko environmentalists to dictate policy.  Clinton prevented the drilling in ANWR more than 10 years ago.  The wackos have stopped wind farms off Cape Cod because Ted Kennedy didn't want the wind turbines to spoil the view in the area where he sails his yacht.  The wackos also have prevented nuclear power plants from being built. 

If you want to fix these problems, what we really need is lower taxes; less regulation; FAR FEWER HANDOUTS; and more capitalism.

Mike

I understand exactly what your saying Mike.  I prefer Ron Paul over anybody.  I love Ron Paul. Im just really sour at the way the Republicans have handed me horrible economy at the worst time of my life, just getting out of HS.  The way of Bush is cann ot continue.

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« Reply #26 on: June 11, 2008, 10:08:57 am »
[[[[......Your Republicans have increased the national debt from 5 to 9 trillion dollars in debt in 8 years....]]]]

The president does not write the national budget and has no control at all over the budget, other than a very weak blanket veto power to make congress start completely over. The veto can be over-ridden.

Congress controls the budget. Congress controls all the pork barrel projects. Who is it that has control over Congress? Here's a hint: it's not the Republicans.

The president's job, besides being a figure head, is to deal with international politics. Obama has zero experience with international politics. He is running on the exact same platform as Carter did (elect me, I'm outside the political establishment, so I'm different and better than a regular politctian) , and Carter was a total disaster in international politics. It's not an area for the inexperienced.

I suspect that there will be massive attacks on Israel when Obama is elected. He was very vocal about not being willing to defend Israel, and that's a big green light to several agressive countries in the middle east.

The effect of that will be a massive war in the middle east instead of  what is going on now, wiping up rebels and terrorists in Iraq. Announcing that the USA is planning to throw Israel to the wolves is not the best way to get out of war in the middle east

I don't think Obama is a bad man. I just wish he'd waited an election or two while he learned more about politics. Some of the rulers of foreign countries that he will have to deal with are not such nice people and "reason" is not even in their vocabulary.

It takes 2 parties to make peace, and if the only thing that the other side wants is for everyone to die, there isn't a lot of room for negotiation.

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« Reply #27 on: June 11, 2008, 04:06:16 pm »
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I suspect that there will be massive attacks on Israel when Obama is elected. He was very vocal about not being willing to defend Israel, and that's a big green light to several agressive countries in the middle east.

I think just the fact that Barack Hussein is running will force Israel to attack Iran BEFORE the election.  Israel can not afford to wait for Barack Hussein to take office and and become the chief appeaser.  They also can not afford to wait for Iran to have enough Uranium for a bomb.  So, I'm convinced that Israel WILL attack Iran before the election unless the US does so before that.  Unfortunately, I'm not sure that President Bush has the strength to do that, so Israel will probably have to do our dirty work for us once again.

BTW, there's a pretty good synopsis of what's going to happen in REVELATIONS!

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Re: Mccain? Obama?
« Reply #28 on: June 11, 2008, 04:43:52 pm »
2012 coming soon.

(If you don't know about 2012, just google it.)
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« Reply #29 on: June 11, 2008, 07:02:37 pm »
2012 coming soon.

(If you don't know about 2012, just google it.)
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