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Offline Rich_in_CT

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Re:Hardwood linoleum throughout the whole house
« Reply #30 on: January 15, 2007, 01:00:08 pm »
Nice, huh? People think I'm crazy when I tell them I live in a converted warehouse. They just don't know all the possibilities! If you could feasibly put them in a rental property, the only way a disgruntled tenant could mess them up is if they rented a jack hammer.
Nice yes......but here's the big million $ question-  Cost?  Could this be done in a middle income rental?  Could it be more cost effective than cheap carpet over the long term?

Offline DannyTheGreat

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Re:Hardwood linoleum throughout the whole house
« Reply #31 on: January 15, 2007, 01:17:18 pm »
Not in wood constructed buildings. Steel constructed buildings (medium to high rises), yes. If your property is one story, built on a slab foundation, yes again. It can cost less than carpet per square foot and you only need to do it once. My garage floor has a map of the world. That was not cheap but also very intricate. Of course, you'd want radiant floor heating ($4- $7/ sq. ft.) inside which would eliminate needing any heat pump, central AC/ furnance, etc. but you'd also need another layer of concrete. It's not often feasible for a residential renovation but would be much more in new construction. Especially using something like geothermal- radiant floor heating in the concrete.
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Re:Hardwood linoleum throughout the whole house
« Reply #32 on: January 15, 2007, 01:20:29 pm »
Does the radiant heat have a lifespan?  Does it need replacing?  Is it electrically heated or is it some sort of hotwater system?

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Re:Hardwood linoleum throughout the whole house
« Reply #33 on: January 15, 2007, 01:36:08 pm »
Some are electric, some are hot water. Mine is hot water. It's just a bunch of tubes that go back and forth along the floor with hot water running through them. The tubes will (hopefully) never go bad. I have a geothermal heat pump which circulates water through the floor then underground to extract the heat and deposit it through the floors through some fancy HVAC unit.

I guess something similar to condenser lines in a heat pump could work equally well but I'm not sure about using that much freon.

Bill Gates apparently has a heated driveway so he never has to (pay someone to) shovel the snow.
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Re:Hardwood linoleum throughout the whole house
« Reply #34 on: January 15, 2007, 01:42:09 pm »
Bill Gates apparently has a heated driveway so he never has to (pay someone to) shovel the snow.
That's not so uncommon, I know someone that looked into a system like that for his driveway.  He had a long driveway and the cost was $15k.  Big downside was that it needed to be replaced every few years, that's why I was asking about the replacement time.  Kind of a similar setup to what some roofs have, just a big eletrical element.

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Re:Hardwood linoleum throughout the whole house
« Reply #35 on: January 15, 2007, 01:51:32 pm »
So the person you know was looking into an electrical system. I had no idea you had to replace the whole thing every few years. Water systems seem to be more common, although outdoors, I suppose a water system would soon turn to an ice system. 15k for a heated driveway is a little steep when you can pay a neighborhood kid $20, or even more fun, buy a 4-wheeler with a plow.
"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve."- Isoroku Yamamoto, Japanese Admiral- After the attack on Pearl Harbor

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Re:Hardwood linoleum throughout the whole house
« Reply #36 on: January 15, 2007, 01:53:26 pm »
Not $20 for this one, it was long (couple hundred feet) and steep.  This guy built his house in the worst place ever.  I will take a pic next time I go by it.  Its a nice house with a nice view but the driveway SUCKS!

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Re:Hardwood linoleum throughout the whole house
« Reply #37 on: January 15, 2007, 02:33:55 pm »
Danny,

How about an all reinforced concrete building  -  floor, walls, and ceiling?  Then, when the tenants move out, you could just hose the whole thing down.  Many low-income tenants would feel right at home with all concrete, especially if you put bars on the windows and installed a stainless steel toilet.  Home Sweet Home!

Mike
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Re:Hardwood linoleum throughout the whole house
« Reply #38 on: January 15, 2007, 03:04:05 pm »
Yeah that jail-like feeling would certainly be a SELLING point for the crack dealers.  And you could work something out with the authorities to lock them down if they screw up and the state can pay you to house them.  "Mike's Slumlord and Jail Services Inc (C)"
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Re:Hardwood linoleum throughout the whole house
« Reply #39 on: January 15, 2007, 03:09:29 pm »
I think your on to something Mike! Just as long as you include a drain in the center of each room for when they throw their feces on the wall.

With private prisons, the governing agency pays you per inmate per day. It's somewhere around $50/ day for each inmate depending on the security, mental health, etc. Another good RE investment. Mike, you'd make a great warden.
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Re:Hardwood linoleum throughout the whole house
« Reply #40 on: January 15, 2007, 04:13:23 pm »
For $1,500 each per month, I'm liking this idea.  I wonder how many criminals I could cram in a 2 bedroom concrete house.  I'm guessing about 50.

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Re:Hardwood linoleum throughout the whole house
« Reply #41 on: January 15, 2007, 05:24:40 pm »
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I wonder how many criminals I could cram in a 2 bedroom concrete house.  I'm guessing about 50.
Atleast!

Then to make the deal a little sweeter, you take advantage of their cheap labor (25 cents/ hour) to build assemble and repair anything you want.

http://www.unicor.gov/
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Re: Hardwood linoleum throughout the whole house
« Reply #42 on: November 30, 2007, 02:22:38 pm »
I think you should consider these floorings:

http://www.gatewoodfloors.com/

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Re: Hardwood linoleum throughout the whole house
« Reply #43 on: December 02, 2007, 01:07:32 am »
Danny,

How about an all reinforced concrete building  -  floor, walls, and ceiling?  Then, when the tenants move out, you could just hose the whole thing down.  Many low-income tenants would feel right at home with all concrete, especially if you put bars on the windows and installed a stainless steel toilet.  Home Sweet Home!

Mike

That's too funny!!!....You always crack me up, Mike

With my pricey houses in Virginia, plush/berber carpet is the only way to go...

I carried that over to the lower income houses I'm doing in Buffalo and used a cheap $0.52/sf (after my 20% discount) berber from Lowes (beautiful brown/beige diamond pattern carpet) for all living areas, with ceramic tile in the kitchens, dining rooms (due to all the food), baths, and hallways....

I'm convinced after doing a lot of reading lately from other landlords here and recent books that I've read that painting the living room/bedroom floors is the way to go here...Let the tenants buy some area rugs at flea markets and let them destroy those...Though I haven't had any turnover yet in almost 2 years here (gotta admit - the tenants love the carpet!), I've seen a perfect outline of an iron (complete with steam holes clearly visible - don't know how long the kid left the iron on the carpet for that), along with crayons, finger paint, you name it, on bedroom carpets...Those would normally have to be replaced upon move out, but I'm doing the floor paint next time...Quicker, easier, and cheaper....And with the nice paint jobs we always do (all wood in semi-gloss white, beautiful beige walls, white ceilings) and ceramic tile (granite tile for countertops @$1.34sf) that tenants fall in love with, I don't see too much of a downside to having the painted floors...The overall wow factor is still there...And the ceramic tile is so low maintenance it's not even funny...With a 20% discount from Lowe's/Home Depot it's almost always under $1sf...Can't beat it for the price...
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Offline Rich_in_CT

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Re: Hardwood linoleum throughout the whole house
« Reply #44 on: December 02, 2007, 01:05:52 pm »
Believe me, it doesn't take long on a carpet to make an impression of an iron.  My girlfriend dropped the iron on an area rug we have and it made a good mark by the time she was able to quickly reach down and grab it.

 




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